Murle Breer - Part 2 (The 1962 Women's U.S. Open)

Devlin, Bruce: 0:16

So tell us about that first victory.

Breer, Murle: 0:19

Oh, the first victory

Devlin, Bruce: 0:20

U.S. Women's Open Championship. What a way to start!

Breer, Murle: 0:24

That was something that I had. You know, I think every golfer dreams of winning the U.S. Open. I think we in practice rounds, you know, we're over a putt where they were going to try to make this for us open win. And that was meant that everybody wanted to win. It was a tournament that I really wanted to win. But, you know, I wasn't sure whether I could. Like I said, I was really shy or intimidated by the better players. And I remember the week before I had missed the cut. And I put it I guess we didn't have cups in No, I know what it was a three putt, it's so many greens. And I was just really down about my game. And I guess I finished last or next, you know, towards the bottom of the pile, so to speak. But anyway, I was I was giving Shirley Englehorn a ride down to Myrtle Beach from New Jersey. And Shirley kept telling me how she was going to win the open. And she was talking away about it. And I thought, well, she has a lot of cars. I'm thinking to myself, she has a lot of confidence in herself. I don't have that much confidence to say that. But anyway, maybe she put a bug in my ear or something. So we got down to the tournament. And as the tournament started, I remember playing the first round with Jo Ann Prentice. And I said to Jo Ann, Jo Ann, I don't even feel like I'm playing in the U.S. Open. And I think both of us had I think I had around. I think it was 76 or 77. The first round, maybe

Mike Gonzalez: 2:11

78, it was a 78.

Breer, Murle: 2:13

Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez: 2:16

That's okay. You can say that now because you

Breer, Murle: 2:18

But anyway, as you know, back then we had to play won. 36 holes the last day. Yeah. And that was really rough. Anyway, I had a decent round the second round. And I felt encouraged and I had to play, we had to play that 36 holes. And I recall not having any sleep the night before because I was staying in an apartment with several other golfers and one of them was having a problem, marital problems, I think and she was walking outside all the time. And some of us were up all night watching her trying to figure out what she was going to do. And but anyway, she finally came back into the apartment. And so we all felt okay about it, that she was wasn't going to do anything, you know, silly. So anyway, the next day, I was paired with, with Mary Lena Faulk. And so we were prepared for the 36 holes. And I couldn't have been paired with a finer person to play play with. She was very encouraging. But anyway, the morning round, we had these heavy, heavy high winds. And you know what happens when the winds are blowing that usually means some rains coming. So we had very high winds, you know, 30, 35 mile an hour winds. And I remember I wore out my for wood

Devlin, Bruce: 3:51

at the powerful

Breer, Murle: 3:52

I remember, I had this verse. I wasn't a Christian at the time, but I had memorized this verse, I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. And I used that verse all along during that round and I just felt a surge of energy every time I'd use that verse. And anyway, we got to the second round and the rains came. So we had a light. I guess it was a heavy rain at times, but it was fairly light. So I played in the rain, and I remember that the last round. The second round that we played that day. I was in casual water on I think it was on the 17th could have been the 16th hole, but I was ready to drop it illegally. I guess the USGA committee member came up said no don't drop it their morale and she showed me where I needed Drop it. So that was really, yeah, if I had dropped it illegally I probably wouldn't have won the open bench anyway. And I can remember coming up on the last hole Carol Mann saying Murle, you can three-putt the last green and still win. Anyway, that's how, how it was going that that those last two rounds and so I got on the green and was able to to put it. And in God's providence I won the tournament and it was really a thrill for me. It was something that I had dreamed of and never thought it would ever happen to me, but it did.

Mike Gonzalez: 5:44

Just to remind our listeners we're talking about the 1962 Women's U.S. Open won by Murle Lindstrom at the time. Murle Breer and this was played at the Dunes Golf and Beach Club in Myrtle Beach. And you trailed Ruth Jessen by five after that first Sunday round, which would have been the third round of the tournament. So you came back in the last round to overcome a five shot deficit and win by two over her and Jo Ann Prentice.

Breer, Murle: 6:13

You know, I really didn't even realize how far back I was to when I look back. Probably good. It probably is good. Some some things you don't want to know.

Mike Gonzalez: 6:28

So I'd read somewhere, were you a bit of a headcase coming in thinking, you know, after almost five years of not winning? Maybe I'm just kind of hanging it up after this tournament. Is that kind of the way you remember? Well,

Breer, Murle: 6:39

it is. I should have said that to you before when I was thinking that was gonna be my last tournament because it just seemed like, things just weren't going right. And what's the point? You're married? Need to settle down? Um, children. Forget about this game of golf. But you know, golf gets in you and gets in your blood and you can't get rid of it.

Devlin, Bruce: 7:04

What a change then, huh?

Mike Gonzalez: 7:06

I think you were living in Cape Girardeau time. Yes.

Breer, Murle: 7:10

Right on the Mighty Mississippi. And yeah, yeah, it had a little house right on right on the Mississippi wonder if it's still there.

Mike Gonzalez: 7:20

You remember who the low amateur was that U.S. Open?

Breer, Murle: 7:24

Probably JoAnne Carner.

Mike Gonzalez: 7:27

The great Gundy!

Breer, Murle: 7:31

She was quite a player.

Devlin, Bruce: 7:32

Wow. Was it she just a player.

Mike Gonzalez: 7:34

She waited a while to turn professional. She did

Breer, Murle: 7:37

I remember being on the plane with her. And she said she'd never turned professional. I reminded of that a few times. I'm bad.

Mike Gonzalez: 7:49

It's almost you think about how many USGA championships might she have won. You know, had she had shot or rather how many professional tournaments might she had won had she turned professional? Because she waited till like age 31 Something like that.

Breer, Murle: 8:04

She was she was a great player.

Mike Gonzalez: 8:07

So how were you a long hitter, medium type hitter? What how would you describe your driving?

Breer, Murle: 8:13

I guess for my size, I hit it pretty long. I could hit it, you know, a little wind behind me maybe 245, 250 Sometimes,

Mike Gonzalez: 8:23

and the distances back then somewhat compressed. And so when Bruce talks about Jack Nicklaus sometimes out driving him what? 20 yards, maybe 10 yards. Today, maybe it'd be 60 yards? I don't know. But what was the difference between you and the longest hitters at that time?

Breer, Murle: 8:41

Oh, probably 15 yards? Yeah. Something like that. Maybe 20 times just depends on the fairways and the wind and all the elements.

Mike Gonzalez: 8:53

Yeah, so I was I was at the USGA in Far Hills, New Jersey yesterday, I visited the golf museum there for the first time, and I looked up on the board. 1962. Murle Lindstrom, Women's U.S. Open champion. Pretty cool.

Breer, Murle: 9:10

I wonder if they still have I guess I have my 4-wood there. Do they have did they,

Mike Gonzalez: 9:16

you know, I, I don't know they they might have the challenge as you know, with any Hall of Fame or museum like that. They say they can display about four or 5% of what they have in their archives at one time. And they keep rotating that through the exhibits but it's a if you haven't been there. Maybe you have it's a beautiful beautiful

Breer, Murle: 9:37

I haven't been there. I would like to go there sometime.

Mike Gonzalez: 9:40

Gotta get your picture taken. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, pretty cool. So how did that change life for you? Now that you go from not maybe thinking you're not gonna play anymore? It could be your final tournament to you are a U.S. Open champion.

Breer, Murle: 9:56

It was like I said it was a dream come true. Just put up only light on my career. And it just encouraged me to keep up with everything. And of course, I went home and I'm married, and I didn't know how that was gonna work. But I kept, you know, I played I didn't play every tournament, but I played as much as I could and and then the problem with winning a U.S. Open you sort of feel like you have to prove yourself.

Devlin, Bruce: 10:32

Didn't take your long No. Well,

Breer, Murle: 10:35

I finally went won a tournament that year, the towards the end of the year, the San Antonio Civitan. And so that kind of made the year. Kind of very nice for me.

Mike Gonzalez: 10:48

Yeah, How good did it feel to validate that first victory at the U.S. Open?

Breer, Murle: 10:53

Oh, you can't explain it. It's just something that stays with you, with you for a lifetime even now. Well, a few. Well, in July, we're going to have a reunion of the U.S. Open winners out in Pebble Beach. So hopefully, I'll be out there. Everything falls into place correctly for me. But the USGA is very good to their former champions, and I'm very appreciative of what they've done for golf for all of us.

Mike Gonzalez: 11:29

So talk about validation, the 1962 we're talking about the San Antonio Civitan. At Brackenridge Park Golf Course. And that tournament was in November,

Breer, Murle: 11:39

I can't remember that. I was thinking it was at a different club, maybe.

Mike Gonzalez: 11:46

Well, my research could be faulty.

Breer, Murle: 11:48

I'm sure if that's what they said. That's where it was. It's been a long time.

Mike Gonzalez: 11:53

What you won by three over a lady that people would have heard about Betsy Rawls

Breer, Murle: 12:00

Whe was an amazing golfer, also. She was amazing to me, she she showed all of us how to get up and down out of bad areas around the green. I remember using her putter so many times. I never thought about using the putter Yeah, for different shots, but she was just an amazing player.

Mike Gonzalez: 12:22

Yeah, what do you recall of the experience that week? I

Breer, Murle: 12:25

You mean at San Antonio. Yeah. I just remember I was a little nervous. With my every time I stood over a putt, Bruce, I don't know whether you ever got nervous standing over putts?

Devlin, Bruce: 12:45

Well, that's a silly question. Because I did.

Breer, Murle: 12:48

And I take a deep breath and try to visualize,

Devlin, Bruce: 12:52

try to relax, relax.

Breer, Murle: 12:56

Visualize that ball going on the line that you think it shouldn't go on and going into the hole? Right?

Mike Gonzalez: 13:04

You must have put it okay, because you shot a smooth little 69 and the final round?

Breer, Murle: 13:08

Well, the putt you have to make some putts to shoot 69. Of course, in today's world you have 69 isn't anything that they're shooting 6360 fours.

Mike Gonzalez: 13:21

You ever think you know the equipment's different, everything's different. Everything's different. The conditions certainly are different, right?

Breer, Murle: 13:28

We didn't have good conditions A lot of times, and the golf courses were set up really long for us.

Mike Gonzalez: 13:37

That's what a lot of our guests would tell us that you're you're playing back on the back of the T's. A lot of places.

Devlin, Bruce: 13:42

Yeah. So Murle, after, after validation there at San Antonio, you had a bit of a bit of a dry period there. I'm sure you had chances to win between 62 and 67. But that was what was going on during that peak.

Breer, Murle: 13:59

Well, guess what? I had two babies. My wonderful, wonderful girls. I took time out to be a mother and it was a glorious thing. It was a miracle of God and baby for a woman. Isn't that the

Mike Gonzalez: 14:18

truth? Tracy and Vicki came along.

Breer, Murle: 14:23

They're wonderful girls, and I so appreciate them today. They've been so helpful to their mother in her old age.

Devlin, Bruce: 14:29

Yeah. Well,

Mike Gonzalez: 14:31

if you've listened to any of our podcasts, you'll know that Bruce asked that same question a lot about these gaps in the winning column. Right. Yeah. And invariably, it always comes back to what was going on. Well, life was going on life.

Breer, Murle: 14:43

Yeah, yeah. That was what was going on with me and, you know, babies take up a lot of your time. They should never, resolutely

Mike Gonzalez: 14:52

Yeah, yeah, so talk about that next one. Then this was the 1967 Carlsbad Jaycee Open at Riverside Country Club. Carlsbad, New Mexico by one over another hall of famer Sandra Haynie.

Breer, Murle: 15:05

Oh, well, that was kind of a unique type Golf Course you would never play a Golf Course like this today. It was a nine hole Golf Course.

Mike Gonzalez: 15:14

Ah, interesting.

Breer, Murle: 15:16

I can remember an interesting thing that happened, I would think, never happened to me before. But anyway, I had a ball in the middle of the fairway. And it disappeared. We didn't know where it was. And we kept looking and looking. And there was a somebody had buried a beard, an open beer can in the, in the fairway and the ball was in this beer. No, I had to call a ruling what we were going to do and everything. But anyway, it all worked out. And but I had at that point in my life. I was I had say, I think I was what year did you say that was 1967

Mike Gonzalez: 16:00

Seven.

Breer, Murle: 16:03

I think I was going through a divorce and maybe had been divorced. And I had two girls that I was traveling with. And I had a babysitter with me. And so life was a little bit difficult then but we had fun. You know, my girls and and we were all together. And so that was kind of a happy time when I win that trip.

Mike Gonzalez: 16:27

Probably a lot of great memories from them.

Breer, Murle: 16:29

Oh yeah, they have a lot of memories traveling around and going to these different places.

Mike Gonzalez: 16:37

And a lot of aunts all these players that they came to know I'm sure

Breer, Murle: 16:42

they loved Kathy Cornelius. Judy Rankin, yeah their children played with with our two girls and it was really nice. It was like family.

Mike Gonzalez: 16:59

Let's go on to 1969 your next victory which came with the O'Sullivan Ladies Open. This was at Winchester Country Club in Virginia. And by three shots, you beat the lady that you were riding to that U.S. Open with

Breer, Murle: 17:12

Oh, I know what Chirley Englehone, I thought poor Shirley. The funny thing happened at that tournament, if I remember, right, the last round it was very, very hot. And everybody was I took some salt pills. And it was so hot. I don't know what the temperature was. But anyway, a terrible storm came and washed out a bunch of things. So they washed out the tournament. And I was so thankful because I didn't see how I was gonna play that day because I was just really sick from the salt pills. I thought neuro Why did you take the salt pills. But anyway, I took the salt pills and didn't feel feel awful. But anyway, they washed out the tournament and then we had a new start the next day. And then I was I felt good the next day and had a good round and thankful I won it and had my girls with me. And so that was really nice.

Mike Gonzalez: 18:23

Interesting how things worked out you know, had you not had that delay?

Breer, Murle: 18:26

I know. I've often thought if I didn't have that delay, I don't think I would have won the tournament because I felt so awful. Yeah, I don't know whether you've ever taken salt pills or not, but apparently I didn't take them correctly. Yeah, took too many.

Mike Gonzalez: 18:42

Bruce, I'm gonna let you do this next one because I'm not sure I could pronounce the Italian lady's name.

Devlin, Bruce: 18:49

Sylvia Bertolaccini is it okay, I get I know that we're talking about the J.C. Penney mix team classic. And you played with a gentleman that I knew very well for many years. Dave Eichelberger. Yes, and you beat Sylvia and Jim Colbert by one shot so that had to be fun. Oh, that

Breer, Murle: 19:14

was the most fun tournament I think I've ever played and it was I used to marvel at how the men could hit the ball. Bruce, I know you hit the ball great when you were on tour I just couldn't believe men can hit balls from downhill allies to a little tiny green you know I just over a trap. And I thought as women we just don't have the strength to do that. So we just kind of Dilly bop it out in the fairway and keep the next shot on the green. But anyway, they just impressed me so much like we hit the ball and and he encouraged me and we made a lot of putts that week and In the last hole was really exciting. I remember I guess he hit the ball upon the green and I had this putt, I guess, maybe a 12 footer, for birdie. And I was really nervous. As you must know, we had to make that putt to win. And anyway, I asked the Lord to help me focus on the line. And, and I looked at and I saw the crowd of people, and I thought, no, don't get involved in the people just focus on your mind, and focus on the ball and stroke. And so that's what I did in the ball when in the only one, and it was exciting. It was, it was a very special tournament, because I had never won that much money in my life and to win it at one time. And we, I was very involved with the Christian group on the tour, and we were having our first conference. And that tournament, was very helpful in getting us getting everything organized for that first conference that we had the the LPGA Christian group. So it was a very special tournament for me.

Mike Gonzalez: 21:27

I was gonna ask you about the money I would have. Suppose that 10 years after your last when this might have been the biggest paycheck you

Breer, Murle: 21:34

ever seen? Yeah, it was it was the biggest paycheck I had ever seen. So my husband was, you wouldn't remember how much it was a mil was $30,000.

Devlin, Bruce: 21:49

Was a lot of money, though.

Mike Gonzalez: 21:50

And then with the 30,000, Murle, you didn't have to kick 10% Back to the LPGA Tour to fund the operation. Did you like you did the early days?

Breer, Murle: 21:58

It seemed like we had to get something back? I can't remember. I think it was 10% 1000. But anyway,

Mike Gonzalez: 22:05

I think I think the 10% You would have kicked back back in the 60s to fund the operations of the tour.

Breer, Murle: 22:11

We had to we had to do a lot back then. We didn't have much money back then. But it all worked out. Yeah, yeah, it was a great

Mike Gonzalez: 22:25

if we can, let's just talk about your recollections of some of the other majors. Starting with the LPGA Championship, which became a major before you started, it was first a major 1955 and I think your best finish was at Pleasant Valley, a place that that Bruce knows quite well. Sandy Haynie won that event 1974 When you finished fourth, what were your some of your favorite memories, from the LPGA Championship?

Breer, Murle: 22:50

You know, it's hard. I I just remember they had seemed like the ninth hole was kind of an interesting hole for women. And I was always nervous coming up to that tee. But it'll all worked out well. And I remember it seemed like I don't know whether they had made this change or not, but seemed like the first hole was a par three. Correct. And I thought why are we starting off on a par three? You're absolutely it's always nice to start off on a par for maybe a par five.

Mike Gonzalez: 23:28

Yeah, well, just for our listeners. This event, the LPGA Championship back in the 60s and early 70s was contested, I think seven out of eight years at Pleasant Valley. Of course, Bruce had a win there. And we've talked a lot about some of the characters that were involved there.

Breer, Murle: 23:46

Yeah, we have. They had big large greetings there didn't say

Devlin, Bruce: 23:52

yeah, that it was well, and the thing I remember more about Pleasant Valley, aside from the wind was a great guy, Kuzzy Mengola, whom I'm sure you remember, was just a great, great supporter of the game of golf. And he was always fun to be around.

Breer, Murle: 24:10

Well, my ex husband was the head pro there for a couple of years. So I was very familiar with Pleasant Valley Country Club. Yeah, knew all the people there and I had a lot of people I made some good friends there that helped me out financially to get back on the tour. So I' really have a warm spot for Wooster. Sutton, Mass.

Mike Gonzalez: 24:36

Yeah, we really talked about Pleasant Valley a lot quieter on the show, both on the men's and the women's side, of course, because the women because you guys played it often in a major. Let's talk about the du Maurier now. The Memorial Day, which is sort of the Canadian Open, I guess, right for women and while it only became a major in 1979 You probably played in it long before as well, right?

Breer, Murle: 25:01

Well, I remember playing there, but my my recollection of that golf tournament was that I didn't play very well. Yeah, there were some golf courses you just don't seem to play well. And I think that was one of them. I don't think ever finished. You know, in the top, even top 20 at all, you probably have my record there. I don't know. I haven't looked at it.

Mike Gonzalez: 25:27

We'll just skip. We'll just skip right by it. How's that? Yeah.

Breer, Murle: 25:32

I didn't play there very much, but didn't play. It wasn't really enjoyable when you're not playing well, it's not really joy.

Mike Gonzalez: 25:41

I get I get that another interesting major that some of our listeners, particularly the younger ones wouldn't even be familiar with. And that's the one that really was sort of like, oh, I don't really know in a way before The Dinah Shore, it was like your Masters because it was an Augusta Country Club. It was called the Titleholders Championship. It was contested, other than the war years really continuously from 1937 to 1966. And then they went to was it Pine Needles in 72, and sort of had a one-off there. But that was a championship that was similar to Augusta for the men and that it was this the same venue every year for

Breer, Murle: 26:24

too bad. They didn't keep that going. I was sad about that, because I thought they should be

Devlin, Bruce: 26:33

you finished 11 there in 1962, when Michkey Wright won

Breer, Murle: 26:40

great player

Mike Gonzalez: 26:43

and a great Donald Ross Golf Course.

Breer, Murle: 26:45

Right? I loved the whole Ross Golf Course. That's it. That was a tough Golf Course. It seems like it's I think it's right next to Augusta National, isn't it? Sure. Because I remember, when I'm playing at practice ran, I would, there was one hole that we could kind of push the the bushes aside and let's see that Golf Course.

Mike Gonzalez: 27:14

Yeah, another major that some of our younger listeners wouldn't be that familiar with would be the Western Open on the women's side, which was a major from 1930 to 1967. You finished eighth there in 1959 at Ranier Golf and Country Club, that was the year Betsy Rawls won. But you know, there was a stretch. And I guess this starts in about 1968. When for a number of years, probably almost 10 years or 11 years, you guys only had two majors to play for didn't you. The LPGA and the U.S. Open,

Breer, Murle: 27:49

we didn't have very many. Yeah, that's why the U.S. Open was so so important to all of us, because that was really, you know, one of the very few majors that we had to play in.

Mike Gonzalez: 28:03

So take us through the process. I know life was going on the girls were growing up, but at some point you decided, Okay, time to move on from the LPGA Tour take us through that thought process and what happened there?

Breer, Murle: 28:18

Well, I think I got to a point. I don't know whether other golfers get to this point. But I wasn't able to play very many tournaments because of family obligations. And I love my family. I have a wonderful husband, Bob, and, of course, my daughters, Vicki and Tracy. But I felt like I needed to spend more time with them. And they were I think as a became late teens, they weren't interested in you know, going to golf tournaments. And so I decided it was time to kind of hang it up and retire. And anyway, I thought, well, maybe I need to get a real estate job and get all dressed up and do real estate. And anyway, I was taking a course and I was in this room with these women that were they were back then yes, cigarette smoking was okay. People were smoking away and I had I came home with a migraine headache from all the cigarettes and the language I thought the language was worse than what I've ever heard on the LPGA Tour. I thought I don't think this is for me. Maybe I was just with the wrong group. I don't know but anyway, I decided that you know, I should do what I'm what you know what I'm, I know something about and so anyway, I decided to get it teaching job and I taught at a course in Savannah College. The Savannah Bacon Park Golf Course. So I did a lot of teaching there. And then Bonnie Randolph, who had a golf school up in Cahiers, North Carolina at that High Hampton Inn, called me and asked me if I would help her with that. So I said, Sure. So I went up there and helped her with that a few times. And after, I think, probably the first summer that I helped her with, she got cancer and, and anyway, she had a lot of problems. And she had to retire from her Golf School. And then of course, she ended up dying from cancer, which was kind of sad for me to see her go, because I just really loved Bonnie. She was a sweet gal. But anyway, they asked me to Will McKee, I guess. Well, Will McKee's father asked me if I wanted to do the Golf School. So that's how I got involved with doing the Golf School. And I just love that it was so enjoyable. How long for this pattern.

Devlin, Bruce: 31:09

How long did you do the High Hampton Inn?

Breer, Murle: 31:12

I think I did it for at least 10 years. But I love the people. I do a morning school in the afternoon school. And I would I would leave Savannah early in the morning on a Sunday. And I wanted to go to church in Columbia, Columbia, South Carolina. So I stopped at this Presbyterian Church and then I'd scoot on up to the, to the mountains and meet my my group that I was going to teach that week. And we we would get started on Monday. And we finish up on Thursday. I have a little recap session in the morning, and then I'd head on back to Savannah and go from the cool mountains to the hot Savannah.

Devlin, Bruce: 32:01

About it back to the swamp.

Breer, Murle: 32:03

Oh, now it's not that swampy, but it is.

Devlin, Bruce: 32:09

No, I love that part of the area. I love.

Mike Gonzalez: 32:12

I had a chance to talk to the son of that owner, the son being Will McKee. And of course the family's got fond memories of your time there at High Hampton. He mentioned his wife Becky used to work in the pro shop.

Breer, Murle: 32:24

Yes. Yes, they I think they have two children. They're probably all grown up now. Yeah, but they were very nice people very nice to me. And I enjoyed being out there. It was just, it was wonderful to give back something to the game that had given me so much. Yeah, no, I enjoyed being able to teach women and I taught men and women. It was this really enjoyable.

Mike Gonzalez: 32:55

Moral before we sort of wind down with some of our last questions, we'd like to ask everybody, is there anything any other aspect of your life or career that we haven't covered that you would mind touching on?

Breer, Murle: 33:08

Well, I would just like to say, I know this isn't a Christian Broadcast, but winning the Open was very special to me, because it brought to the fact that you winning golf tournaments isn't everything. The next morning when I woke up, I thought what's this all about? You know, it didn't give me everything I thought it was gonna give me and it was a few years after that, that the Lord took over my life. And so I've been a Christian for many years and I really feel like golf was God use golf in my life to bring me to that point. That was very special.

Devlin, Bruce: 34:01

Very interesting. You would say that because you are not the first person that we have spoken to that feels that way because Bernhard Langer when he won the Masters. The next tournament, of course, was at Hilton Head. But the morning after he won the Masters, he thought, what, what is this? He didn't. He had no great feelings about it. And then that week at Hilton Head, he went to a Bible study and became a Christian.

Breer, Murle: 34:35

So I really admired him. I haven't heard his story, but you should

Devlin, Bruce: 34:41

listen to it. It's kind of forced into it. Yeah, yeah, Murle,

Mike Gonzalez: 34:45

you know, we remember him talking about that, that victory coming out. And he said, Is this all there is because I have houses I have cars. I've got a lovely wife and all the money I need. And yet I didn't feel fulfilled. There was something missing.

Breer, Murle: 35:00

Do you feel empty? I mean, that's where I felt.

Mike Gonzalez: 35:03

Yeah, literally two days later with Larry Moody and a few other guys. I think Bobby Clampett, invited him to the Bible study. And he's he's born again and becomes a very devout Christian.

Breer, Murle: 35:14

Yeah. I really, like I said, I really admire him. He's done a lot for the game.

Devlin, Bruce: 35:23

We we always, before we go, we have three questions that we ask all of our guests will allow me, I'll ask the first one. And the first one is, if you knew when you first started on the tour, what you know now, what would you have done differently?

Breer, Murle: 35:53

Well, I think what I would have done differently was have some golf lessons. So I knew something about the about the swing, which I did. I didn't know anything. When I first started. It was just, you know, I just hit the ball. I didn't know why you had a lineup or anything. I really I didn't.

Devlin, Bruce: 36:15

That's interesting.

Breer, Murle: 36:18

So that's one thing I would do differently.

Mike Gonzalez: 36:22

Yeah, anything else come to mind?

Breer, Murle: 36:25

Wow. Let's see. I think they're Yeah, you caught me by surprise here. I should have known I should have thought about this a little bit. All right. Well, you know, sometimes when you start, well, back then when I played, you know, I didn't have any money. I didn't know how much how many tournaments I could play. The women at a club had a little dinner for me. And they they gave me some money to get started. And it was, yeah, it was just a different life back then. So the life was different. I'm very thankful that it worked out the way it did. All right. Well, I'll tell you what, what was the second question?

Mike Gonzalez: 37:24

Well, here it comes. Oh, we're gonna give you one career Mulligan? Where do you take it?

Breer, Murle: 37:33

Well, I was playing a tournament and in Buffalo, and the wind was blowing a little bit. And if I had to do over again, I would have had a little longer club and if I had, I would have won the tournament.

Mike Gonzalez: 37:50

That's a very good choice of mulligans.

Devlin, Bruce: 37:54

So Murle. Last question. How would you like to be remembered?

Breer, Murle: 38:02

Well, as a Christian, I would like to be remembered as being a person that glorified my lord.

Devlin, Bruce: 38:12

Good to you. What a pleasure. It's been having you with us today. We thank you for your time and your insights into your career. And, again, we thank you. It's been a great interview. Thanks a lot. Well, well, thank

Breer, Murle: 38:25

you so much. I feel privileged to be here. Appreciate it. Thank you,

Mike Gonzalez: 38:32

guys. God bless ya'all. Yeah, thanks, neighbor for joining FORE the Good of the Game.

Breer, Murle: 38:35

Yes. Thank you.

Mike Gonzalez: 38:38

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