Karrie Webb - Part 2 (Early Wins, the 1999 du Maurier and the 2000 Dinah Shore)

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Mike Gonzalez  00:15

Something I want to ask both of you, because this sort of ties into what Karrie just covered. You both came up in similar fashion in Australia, you've got to, you know, fine amateur careers you're looking back on. But you're ready now to go to the big stage. Right. Bruce, in your case coming to America on the PGA Tour and Karrie, in your your case, I guess, coming on the LET tour of the European ladies tour back in, I guess that was 1995 probably or so. How do you know that your game measures up to take it to the big stage? Is there a moment, a competitive moment or you just kind of a gut feel that I think I can do this?

Webb, Karrie  01:00

Bruce, do you want to go first? So you want me to go?

Devlin, Bruce  01:02

You go ahead? Go ahead.

Webb, Karrie  01:03

Okay. I, you know, for me, like I said, I I think I would have stayed amateur for another year, if someone had said, we'll send you to the British Amateur and the U.S. Amateur and I and I would again that experience overseas. But as it was turning pro, I couldn't get anyone to give me any money after I turned pro. So no one was gonna give me money to go and play in the amateur events. So you know, I don't know if I thought I was 100% Ready, until my second professional event, which was the Australian Ladies Masters at Royal Pines on the Gold Coast. And I'd played I'd played well on that event a couple of years prior as an amateur. And so, you know, I had done well in a couple of the professional that's gonna show so, you know, I felt like my game was fairly close. I didn't think maybe for a whole year, it was close enough. But I knew I could play well in Australia, at least so but the second event of my professional career, was it like I said, the Australian Ladies Masters and I ended up finishing second to Laura Davies, but went toe to toe with her all day on the Sunday and was paired with her so and that was when Laura was number one in the world and dominating women's golf. So

Devlin, Bruce  02:31

She can hit a faiway too!

Webb, Karrie  02:33

Yeah, she can, especially back then when you know, she was she was out driving everyone by 30 or 40 yards. But she that just gave me like put $25,000 in my bank account, which I thought I was a millionaire. And, and then, you know, it also gave me the confidence that if I could if I could compete against Laura Davies, and you know, maybe I was ready to head over to play on on the European tour.

Mike Gonzalez  03:06

Bruce for you was it winning the Australian Open as an amateur?

Devlin, Bruce  03:09

Yes. Yeah. Even though I didn't want to turn pro. After Norman Von Nida talked me into turing pro in 61. I you know, I felt like I could beat the beat the pros again, you know, when you beat Kel and Peter Thompson in a golf tournament, and when you were young like that, you feel like he could beat anyone that day. You know it? I think I was ready when? Even though I didn't know it. I didn't know it. Be honest with you.

Mike Gonzalez  03:47

Yeah. Well, at some point, you just have to jump into the deep end, don't you?

Devlin, Bruce  03:51

Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez  03:54

So you turned pro at age 19, in 1994. Just for our listeners, we'll go through your professional record just a little bit. 56 Professional wins, as Bruce had mentioned, 41 of those on the LPGA Tour, which ties Karrie Webb for 10th All Time. And you know who you're tied with? 

Webb, Karrie  04:17

Oh, Babe Zaharias

Devlin, Bruce  04:19

Yeah, there you go.

Mike Gonzalez  04:21

Yep, one of the 13 founders. We'll talk a little bit about the founders, I'm sure as we talk about the history of the LPGA Tour, but Karrie won 15 times on the LET tour 13 times on the Australian Ladies Professional Golf Tour few times in Japan as well. We'd probably go another 10 minutes just reading all these Player of the Year, money leader. We'll touch on some of that. But I mean, you talk about accolades. In terms of your success on both of the major tours. We talked about your teachers a little bit I'm sure we'll talk about some of the caddies you've had over the years but You started on the LET tour in 1995. And then, after a Rookie of the Year season there, you decided to come over I guess you took a walk at Q school despite maybe having a slight injury, why don't you tell us a little bit about that.

Webb, Karrie  05:17

Yeah. Well, prior to that I actually won the British Open. And,

Devlin, Bruce  05:26

That's one of the majors I counted too.

Webb, Karrie  05:30

Laura Davies had said the night before that to a few people if if I won the next day that, that I would get membership to the LPGA. But it at the time, the international events were excluded from, from any exemption onto the LPGA. So so I had to go to Q school, which, you know, I'm, I'm really glad that I've had that experience, I know exactly what it's like and, you know, doing it once and never wanted to go back. Private so I got through the first stage of qualifying school and straight through to the final. And in that period of time, I had some downtime in London and the house that I was staying in, I was carrying a bag down the stairs and fell down, fell down and broke my wrist. So wasn't it luckily, it was only a hairline fracture. But at the time, I thought that was it, I'd pack everything up and go back to Australia and I'll play in Europe again next year. But fortunately, my, my agent at IMG Vicki Cumming convinced me her parents knew a really good hand doctor convinced me to at least see him. And before I went to Australia, just to see and that doctor actually gave me a lot of hope that it might be alright. I think I was I think I was two and a half weeks out of three weeks out of have queued up the first round. Yeah, first round, like three weeks out of the first round of Q school. So about two and a half weeks or or two weeks of heading to Q school. And fortunately, no treatment I got and, you know, being 20 I guess I healed very quickly. And you know, there wasn't a lot of pain. There. And luckily, we're playing in Florida and October. So the courses were all soaked and wet from from the summer rain. And so, you know, I never really had any issues with it, thankfully, and probably lack of preparation going in there, put, you know, lower expectations on me. And I ended up getting getting through Q school when finishing second which was which was very, very lucky. And I was super happy that I was moving on to the to the US

Devlin, Bruce  08:04

has Yeah, you mentioned the victory at the Weetabix Women's Open in 95. You did beat a pretty good player over there to finish second to your six shots behind you. Annika Sorenstam and Jill McGill. But I mean, to beat Sorenstam by six shots at the British Open was. That's quite a victory.

Webb, Karrie  08:26

Yeah, I had. I had, I can't remember what I started. Annika didn't start the day second behind me. I was paired with Val Skinner in the last group on Sunday. And she got off to a fairly rough spot and I either have to navigate that. But I managed to make some really great pause early on and that just sort of settled me down. And yeah, I really don't remember. I remember the beginning of that day. And I remember probably the last three or four holes that have that day. And some would argue especially the Aussies that were in the clubhouse watching me on TV would argue on the 16th hall I played a very risky shot from from behind this tree but I ended up pulling it off and making a par and got to the last hole on that last year with a really large lead and my biggest memory of that week is every time I let my sight line off the tee was a was a British Open was the British Open signage. And every time I looked up I think I backed off two or three times because every time I looked up I was like oh my god I'm gonna win the British Open you know, going from you know, what, about 8 or 9 months earlier when I still wasn't sure if I was ready to turn pro but that felt like the next step for me. And then you know nine months later I'm standing on the atmc with fire I think I was a fire shortly and I bury the last to win by six. So you know it, you know you don't you don't dream that big that quickly anyway.

Devlin, Bruce  10:10

We're talking about quickly after you get your card for the LPGA it took you a long while to wind and second tournament. Then you win the HealthSouth second tournament you played you shut 7070 69 and beat Jane Geddes and Martha Nause. So that was that must have made you feel great, though did win the second time on the LPGA. That had to be a great feeling.

Webb, Karrie  10:40

Yeah, I think it was very overwhelming because again, I didn't, you know, the week prior. So because I'd won the British Open. The year before the the tournament, the week prior was tournament champion. And that was really my first time seeing, you know, all the current Hall of Famers that were playing on tour, we're all at that event. You know, and the winners of the past couple of years are there. So all the big names of the LPGA were playing in that event. And I was very overwhelmed. Like I didn't, didn't really feel like I belonged. And I remember the Monday of that week. So both both events were in Orlando, but the Monday of that week as a tournament champions, you know, of course, as a as a rookie and a youngster, you want to get out there and practice, practice, practice. And that Monday was was January in Orlando, and it was really cold and windy, really, really windy. And I was like, I've got to do some practice, I can't just do not, it was really a day where you shouldn't even go out there. And I'm like, I'll just go down to the far right side of the range. The range was it was blowing hard, left to right. Down, down, left, right. So I was like, just go down to the far right side of the range and hit balls back into the wind. And just you know, I just hit 50 balls 60 balls, just to, you know, say that I did some practice. 

Devlin, Bruce  12:11

Loosen up a bit. 

Webb, Karrie  12:12

Yeah, I got to the range. And there was only one player on the range that day. And it was Nancy Lopez. And she was all the way down the far right side of the range. And I'm like, I'm not going down. They're not hitting next. So I went and hit the far left and just started hitting down wind. Because I didn't want to I didn't want anything to do with it and bowls next to her. So you know, so really fast forward to the end of the second week and finding myself even in a playoff and then then actually winning. You know, it was it was you know, I think I obviously knew from winning the British Open I was capable of winning, but I wasn't expecting that to happen so quickly. So it was it was definitely a whirlwind start.

Devlin, Bruce  13:02

Well, you must have set your mind at ease though. You worried about hitting golf balls next to Nancy Lopez, and after winning and HealthSouth you win again, at the Sprint Titleholders Championship, the Safeco and then you win AT&T LPGA Tour Championship byfour strokes over Nancy Lopez. So you didn't mind practicing with her after that? Did you?

Webb, Karrie  13:29

Well, I think I think, you know, I probably didn't have the same introduction to the LPGA as a lot of players do because I came to the LPGA having won the British Open. So I think there was already some respect there from the older players to begin with, and you know, and they'd heard about me, I think some of the Aussies had been talking about me, for I'd actually come on to the LPGA. So even though I was overwhelmed by it, you know, I think as far as once I got inside the ropes, the blinkers went on every time it didn't really matter who I played with, although, like, I remember the first time I played with every hall of famer on the LPGA I remember that where what what's one of that was and where are those those are, those are really special moments to me. So, you know, sort of pinch me sort of situation. So you know, and then obviously by the Tour Championship at the end of the year, you know, I I felt like I belonged and I was a part of the LPGA by them.

Mike Gonzalez  14:39

So we've just kind of glossed over a for when you have sort of the inaugural season on the LPGA Tour. I want to go back to one other I don't want to skip over it because I think it might have been your first professional win. Would that have been the 1995 Golden Flake Golden Ocala Futures Classic That's a long name but

Webb, Karrie  15:00

Yes, it was that was my first professional win. And a very special week in many ways. Probably more special than the when was the family. I stayed with that that week, Craig and Debbie Miller. They, they, they held me that week and, and I had been saying and housing, the few events that I played on the futures tour, and they were the first people I stayed with who had traveled to Australia and actually knew how big Australia was and, and I sort of just gotten back from being in Australia. So like, I got along with them really, really well. And then obviously ended up winning that week. And then, the next time I saw them, they showed up at Q school if in a second. And then the next time I saw them, they showed up at the Tournament of Champions are finished second, and next week, I won. And then the next time I showed up was a Sprint Titleholders and I won. They became like good luck charms. They're actually they they watched me win both my U.S. Open. I think we tried to count I think they've sent me when about 12 or 13 times. And, you know, early on when we didn't have, you know, email or text messages or anything like that. So they were coming to the tournament. I sometimes would know if they were coming. And then when I saw them on the first tee on the first day, I was like, this was gonna be a good week. Because they, they had showed up so yeah, so we, you know, we still keep in touch now. And it was it was you know, winning Ocala was very special. But I think the better thing to come out of that week was my friendship with Craig and Debbie.

Mike Gonzalez  16:54

Yeah, that's nice. So, so, the Ocala when would you look at the at the Women's British Open, then that year is sort of validation of that first professional victory.

Webb, Karrie  17:07

deftly, definitely, I think, you know, the features two is definitely a stepping, stepping tour into the LPGA. But I knew playing on the Le t was a was a level up and and then to win the British Open with LPGA players in the field. You know, that was? That was definitely you know, I wouldn't say validation. But I've been I've been playing quite consistently well over there. And I don't think I would have said I was going to win that tournament. But you know, it was a huge step in my own belief in what I was doing.

Mike Gonzalez  17:47

So we've talked about that first, when on the, or the first, I should say year on the LPGA. Tour, 1996 What a year. That was Bruce.

Devlin, Bruce  17:57

A wonderful year. Well, you followed up pretty good the next year too, three victories. Susan G. Komen International in Plantation East Golf Course we beat Nancy Bowen and Kathy Johnson Forbes and Lorie Kane. And then you got your other major that I count for you. That wasn't the major you win the British Ladies Open again, the Women's British Open. And then, Safeco Classic, and beat Annika Sorenstam. Again, and you got the Vare Trophy that year for your wonderful playing as well.

Webb, Karrie  18:40

Yeah, I think it was. It was a very good follow up to what was you know, essentially a breakout year the fall? I think. Well, the best golf I played that year was definitely at the British Open at Sunningdale. I just I love that Golf Course the old course at Sunningdale. Yeah, and, and I just played unbelievably there, I think. I think I won by seven shots. So I just, you know, was that cautious? I fell in love with it as soon as I saw it, and yeah. Oh, eight, seven shortly.

Devlin, Bruce  19:22

Yes, you had that victory. So

Mike Gonzalez  19:24

the last day? Well, the thing our listeners would see too, if they went through the record of Karrie Webb is, is first British Open of winning by six next one by eight. There were quite a few times in your career when you had a pretty leisurely walk down that 18th fairway I think.

Webb, Karrie  19:42

Yeah, I would say most of those times though. I never felt comfortable until I got to the last tee. You know, you can you've seen over the years in the history of golf that anything can happen and, you know, I never I never counted my chickens before it was too soon and, yeah, yeah, I just kept my foot on the pedal until I was 100% sure that I was, you know, I had a lead large enough that it couldn't do anything to muck it up.

Mike Gonzalez  20:12

I think most of our guests have said, you know, if we've got dry ground the whole way on 18 with no water I feel a little bit more comfortable with.

Webb, Karrie  20:20

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well,

Mike Gonzalez  20:23

as you said, you follow a breakout year 96, where you were first to top a million in a season. You won the money award, you won the Rookie of the Year, which was right after winning the Rookie of the Year on the LET tour, the previous year. You' go into 97 you got three wins. As Bruce said, Perhaps there's two majors or maybe a third because you won the Evian later before it became a major too, I think. But often we go to 1998 with a couple of more wins. The first one being the Australian Ladies Masters at Royal Pines Resort. Also a buy five over Hyun Soon Park and Annika. And that, I think allowed you to go back to back there. And then and then the City of Hope in Myrtle Beach right up the road from where I'm at, which was, I think your second when there at Wachesaw Plantation East Golf Course by three over Meg Mallon, he's talking about Mike McGetrick. There's a connection there, isn't there?

Webb, Karrie  21:19

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Mike taught Meg for many years, most of our career.

Mike Gonzalez  21:26

You know, you got a few wins on your belt, you're still pretty young. It's early on in your career? What's going through your head? What do you feeling?

Webb, Karrie  21:37

Well, I think, you know, if you could have hindsight back then I think I would have, because I think because I won so much early. I think that's all that became important. And not that. It's not that it handed me the next couple of years. But I, I wish that I had had known what I know now. And that, you know, to, you know, enjoy the process of what it takes to win a little more than just putting winning as the be all and end all. Because there was lots of other things and lots of other good golf that I played that, you know, I merely just took for granted, I think, because it didn't produce winning results. And so, you know, it sounds very brattish of me, but I know in 98 only winning twice. I was not happy with that. You know, and, you know, again, if I had a different process in place, there would have been lots of other wins along the way.

Mike Gonzalez  22:44

And yet, Bruce and I visited recently with Betsy King, it took Betsy King a long time to learn how to win. It didn't take you very long. 

Webb, Karrie  22:54

No, but I think I think doing it the way Betsy did, she would have learnt those processes along the way like the wit you know, when you're not winning, you learn to work out what your daily wins are, your weekly wins are, your monthly wins are, even if it's not actually holding up the trophy at the end of the week. Whereas I had wins very early on. And so for me that was it, like a good week was a win, and nothing else. And you know, that that mentality caught up with me later in my career. I didn't it didn't really hinder me early on, it just pushed me and motivated me to push myself harder and harder. But I didn't really have a foundation for when when golf became a little harder than I was making at the beginning of my career.

Devlin, Bruce  23:47

So case in point after you're disappointing in your mind 98, 

Mike Gonzalez  23:54

Wah, wah, wah

Webb, Karrie  23:56

Let me be clear, my 23 year-old mind,

Devlin, Bruce  23:59

That fires you up though, because we went for six wins in 99. So So you solve that problem rather quickly, like you have done on many occasions. It appears to me

Webb, Karrie  24:12

Yeah, well, actually from 98 to 99. I had changed to cross-handed putting so that was really the difference between 98 and 99 I I just started putting a lot better and making more putts

Mike Gonzalez  24:25

why the change?

Devlin, Bruce  24:26

still crossing today?

Webb, Karrie  24:29

Yes, I'm currently cross handed over the years I've gone back and forth but I would say cross-handed is by far the most successful putting stroke but I have won tournaments with conventional too. So I went to cross-handed I was I was working with Scotty Cameron and I had a bit of a cut stroke with my conventional grip. And we were just trying different things and on one part without telling him I just putted cross-handed and he said, What did you do there? And I said, I putted cross-handed. And he said, hit some more like that. And my stroke was way better cross-handed than it was conventional. So that was it for me. I made the switch. I think I worked with him in December. So, you know, our season came around really quickly in those days. And back in January, I was, you know, pulling cross. And

Mike Gonzalez  25:28

that's interesting. So if you look at other players that, you know, and particularly the some of the younger players coming up that maybe come out of the box, almost putting cross-handed maybe there's a thinking change. I mean, back when I was years ago, it was the the change was brought about by something get little twitchy, and you just can't get the ball down your line. This almost seems like you just found a better way.

Webb, Karrie  25:51

Yeah, well, I did, I did find a better way. But there was still that stigma. So this is 98 and into 99, there was still a stigma. With cross-handed that it was like one of the last resorts, I mean, people, people were using the broomstick putters and the the longer putters. And so that that essentially was the last resort, but it still was reviewed as a last resort, with putting where but I didn't really look at it that way. Because, you know, it showed in tests that my stroke was better. And honestly, that's all I needed. I think I just, I had that information behind me that backed that cross handed was the way to go. And really, the, the biggest learning curve was just long putting cross and the short putting instantly improved. So when you're seeing everything inside 20 feet go in or have a better chance of going in, you know, you're instantly going to know that was a good decision.

Mike Gonzalez  26:52

So when you look back on your career and your record, I mean, I typically the professional career will follow sort of a normal bell curve. And you kind of look at that peak period, and we're coming into that peak period for you in terms of results anyway. So as we start talking about 1999, 2000, through 2002, or so, that seems to be the top of the bell curve didn't feel like it at the time, like, Hey, I'm, I'm really all my games kind of coming together. I'm, I'm in the right mental place. Tell us a little bit what was in the head back then.

Webb, Karrie  27:27

I mean, I think I believe that I, you know, I don't think there was as much information and, you know, stats weren't as, you know, in depth back then to really, you know, to really say that, you felt like, there wasn't more room for improvement. I think I was always looking to improve, but whether, you know, I was the best player in the world or not, like, I was looking always looking for an angle to get better. But, I mean, I can look back on it now and say that, you know, I was probably a little oblivious to what was what was, how good I was playing. And, you know, just kept pushing myself to get better. It wasn't, you know, I don't think I took enough time to sit down and think, you know, this is crazy how good I'm playing. I just, you know, I think I felt like I worked hard. And and this was the result of all the hard work.

Mike Gonzalez  28:27

Yeah, so at this time, you're, you're, you're playing at the top of the women's game at this point. Was there any aspect of your game you weren't completely comfortable with you thought you know what, I need to shore this up a little bit yet?

Webb, Karrie  28:44

Well, I think heading into that period, obviously padding was I was a bit of a streaky putter, so I don't think I was ever a bad putter. But I was streaky. So like weeks where I went by seven or eight shots, you know, everything was firing and then putting included. But you know, I think you know, I always felt like, my short game was ever a learning process. Mainly probably because of where I grew up. You know, the surrounds at Ayr Golf Club, mostly buffalo grass, which is sort of like St. Augustine grass here, in the U.S. and, you know, I don't know how I ever learnt to have any sort of good short game, learning off that but you know, talking to like, Triggsy when Triggsy came on board. He's like, Well, you learnt good hands and you learn, you know how to be creative. And, but, but I really feel like that was the part of my game that throughout my career. I knew the littlest about at the beginning and the part that I've learned the most about as I get older and older

Mike Gonzalez  30:04

so we talked about the six-win season 1999. Office Depot, second time at the Australian Ladies Masters where you just eked out a win by 10 Including a sporty little. Well, let's see that that was that was rounded 67, 64, 68 Little minus what was that? Uh, not sure what that final round was. Oh, sorry. Sorry, first round of 63. I should I should relook at that. Minus 26. Water or not on the 18th you kind of just skipped down the fairway there.

Webb, Karrie  30:43

Yeah. Yeah, no, that was, again some of the best golf I played but probably some of the best putting for all four rounds that I've ever had Royal Pines greens back then were probably the best bermuda Greens I have ever putted on the most true bermuda greens and I'd ever putted on so and they didn't have tons of break. So yeah, just everything went well that we

Mike Gonzalez  31:10

Yeah. And then you know, you're going to Arizona and when the Standard Register your second Titleholders, you win by three over, Annika. You go to Wegmans Rochester which to hear Kathy Whitworth reminisce about how much fun she used to have going to Rochester and great tournament to win there. And then, you know, finish it up with what is I guess officially? Major number one? At the du Maurier Classic. This is by two over Laura Davies, your first major.

Webb, Karrie  31:49

Yeah. So what so that 99 was my fourth year on tour. So prior to the start of 99  I'd played 12 majors, and the media were you know, I was labeled with the best player not to have won a major. And so every major I went into, you know, what are the keys to winning a major? When do you think you're going to be ready to win a major. And so on top of the pressure I was putting on myself, those are the questions I had to answer leading into every major and I went into the more I was the last you know, I was having a great year, obviously. And I hadn't played particularly well and the other majors and, you know, went into went into the du Maurier at Priddis Greens in Calgary and didn't feel great about things. My prep wasn't good. I think I ended up making the cut wasn't just one ahead of the number for the cut.

Devlin, Bruce  32:51

It was a bit of a slow start, wasn't it? 73, 72.

Webb, Karrie  32:55

Yeah, wasn't wasn't great. And I don't know what happened on the weekend. But you know, I think I just, you know, I thought that I had no chance to win. So I think all all the pressure I've been putting on myself and just left let off and had a great third round. And I think I still didn't really, I mean, I had an outside shot on Sunday, but I still didn't really think I had a chance until I you know, started playing really well on Sunday. And Laura wasn't really doing doing that much. And I knew I was ahead of her and I could I could set a score. So you know, that was just my goal and about nine was to get in as low as I could and see if it was good enough. And even when I finished I think I thought it'd be good enough for a playoff but it was well and truly good enough. So yeah, so and ended that year with the monkey off my back as far as majors went and I knew that I didn't, I didn't really need to. Well wasn't going to have to answer those questions prior to going into the next major that start in the next year. So that was that was relieving.

Mike Gonzalez  34:05

Yeah, it certainly started a great stretch for you in the majors. Of course you finished 99 again as the money leader, the Player of the Year win the Vare Trophy. So another fantastic year, but you don't let off the gas the following year, that's for sure.

Webb, Karrie  34:21

Yeah, no 2000 was my best, my best year of my career. Besides just on the LPGA I think I had 10 worldwide wins that year. So that was that was definitely my best year of my career.

Mike Gonzalez  34:36

Yeah, I think seven of those probably came on the LPGA Tour. So in 2000, we're talking about opening up early in Florida, the Office Depot that was your second win there over Juli Inkster, who we'll talk about in a minute. So you go back to back there then you win your third Australian Ladies Masters. giving you three straight there, you win the Women's Australian Open at Yarra Yarra. First of five wins in that event there I think for you, and then you go to Hawaii and beat Annika in a playoff one week after that Australian Open win and then next thing you know, time for another major. Let's go to Mission Hills. Get my bathrobe ready.

Webb, Karrie  35:19

Yeah. I always loved playing at Mission Hills. Right, right from the very first year. I played there, my rookie year you know, just the atmosphere was great out there. You know, the weather was always beautiful at that time of the year and causes in perfect shape. And it it really and it still is today. More of a ball-striking course than anything especially if there's that the rough might be long and the fairways are tight. And, you know, the course really demands you know, really good approach shots into the green

Mike Gonzalez  35:56

kind of eked out a victory there again

Devlin, Bruce  35:58

Yeah another 10 Shot win.  67, 70, 67, 70 beat Dottie Pepper by 10 shots.

Webb, Karrie  36:09

Yeah, I going into that last round. I think I can't remember what my lead was. I think it might have been seven. But I was paired with Dottie and an Ari Song I think they changed her name to Song to their Dad's Korean last name after they turned pro but she was an amateur at the time. And she was in the last group. And my goal that day was not to let her beat me. So yeah, so but it was good because I had you know, because I had such a large lead. It allowed me to, to play still aggressively because I wanted to beat her. And early on in that round on the fifth hole I had a hole of one so yeah, Dottie, Dottie. I think that was when she she just threw the white towel at me. When that went in she's like, well, I can't do much else now you feel like you're holing as well as making every putt.

Mike Gonzalez  37:15

Yeah, you can't feel too bad when you're getting beat by 10. Well, you know, we talked a lot about the history of The Dinah Shore over the years, of course, we're calling it The Dinah Shore at that, at the time, it might officially been called the Nabisco Championship. But you know, we talked about, we talked about to David Foster and Colgate Palmolive and Dinah Shore and what that tournament did for the ladie's tour back in the day.

Webb, Karrie  37:43

Yeah, it was definitely. Those are definitely stories that all of the all the players until when I first started, were making sure that the younger players knew about you know, I wasn't fortunate enough to meet Diana Shore. She had passed away just before I had come on tour. So I think that was still fresh in everyone's mind as well. But you know, I still call it Dinah. I always did. You know, I I understood that the impact that she, she had on that event. And, you know, I mean, the history that we have at that Golf Course, is unlike any, any other in the history of the LPGA. It's a very, very special place in the history of the LPGA.

Mike Gonzalez  38:33

Sure, yeah. Like your masters really, isn't it?

Webb, Karrie  38:37

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Except we're not there anymore. So disappointing.

Mike Gonzalez  38:43

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