Ian Woosnam - Part 3 (The 1991 Masters)

Mike Gonzalez: 0:15

Let's talk about now a 1987 and 1990 type of year. This was 91 This is when you when you achieve number one in the world ranking and boy a whole lot of good stuff happened here Bruce four wins plus again, individual winner at The World Cup won the PGA Grand Slam of Golf over Ian Baker-Finch. But kind of kind of got into the winner's circle in the US to that early that year before his big one.

Devlin, Bruce: 0:43

That's right when at the USF and G classic in New Orleans where you beat Jim Hallet in a playoff.

Woosnam, Ian: 0:51

Well, let me tell you about that gym. So we're in a playoff so we're playing the 17th hole at English Turn wasn't sure of English Turn it is still or not. So anyway, I've got my caddy Phil Morbi, Wobbly we called him and I just signed a contract with Meriman. So I was having trouble with these clubs is that I couldn't get them to look right. So I decided to make like everything. My wedge was me nine iron. Me nine was me eight iron. So So everywhere, everything went down like that. So made 'em all stronger. And I had one club stronger. So my axcillary wedge was my pitching wedge. So we're good on the tee. I'll never forget it me on the tee first I've hit me shot, boom. 7 iron, 12 feet, par three,

Devlin, Bruce: 1:45

which is really a 6 iron

Woosnam, Ian: 1:47

typical caddy you knoe, Flashes the club back 7 iron Jinm Hallet gets a 7-iron boom straight in the bunker short of the green. doesn't get it up and down. You know what I mean? Yeah it's amazing. So that was quite interesting now that you know to win in the states one thing I wanted to do I didn't spend a lot of time the stairs Okay. used to always come over early, play a few tournaments like you know, they hail and try to play bale when you've come off the winter is was an impossible Golf Course. Yeah, it was extremely long, difficult. Greens would tricky Well, then, you know, we just moved on and then you know, I just I really enjoyed playing golf and American suit in my gang took me a long time when I first started playing golf. I couldn't get the ball off the ground. I hit it so low, I just couldn't get on and I spent years and years trying to get it in there in the air. And so that's what I did it for, for what to go to the states and get it in the air to win the Masters playing in the majors to you need them both to come in high and soft. And now you're gonna spend the last 20 years trying to keep the damn thing down. Like goes in the cloud? The difference? Too much I can play with him. Give him a sort of eight degree drive. I hit 181 The other day was fantastic. Perfect. Yeah, well, I had an eight that's why I did so far. I had an eighth degree Merriman driver and I could launch it straight in the air with it.

Devlin, Bruce: 3:38

Let's talk about that Master's boy you beat an old buddy there too at Augusta in 1991. Beat Olazabal by one shot rounds 72-66-67-72

Woosnam, Ian: 3:56

Yeah, it's yeah, obviously. That week I became world number one on the Monday and I'm scared that reputation that you know, I hadn't won a major tournament so I think again, become a number one give me a big boost you know, on the best play here, you know, little brass bit of cockiness or sorrow. I'm, I'm going to show the boys that I am number one this week. played the first play the first round 72 played really well, but putted pretty, pretty miserable. Which you know, I've never really putted it out well at Augusta. So I'm on the putting green and I meet this guy called Tad Moore Oh, sure. Yeah. You know, Tad.

Mike Gonzalez: 4:41

Sandy palys his hickories

Woosnam, Ian: 4:43

Yeah, exactly. I've known Tad since that day, and he says try this putter. So he gives me this putter and he just started had it passed and everything and I'm on the putting green no joke not particularly I'm putting in any better from a distance and everything but from three foot I couldn't miss so I stood on a putting green for about three hours putting and I decided to take it out the next day and, man, it just made such a difference because, you know, you can go for your puuts if you're confident from three foot, you're gonna hole the next putt coming back and that's what happened. Went out you know, shoot 66 Same again, the next day 67. Then the last in and out the last few days I played with Tom Watson. You know, Tom was one of my golfing Heroes is there's, there's one of the guys I want to play like, and it would be Tom Watson, you know, plays aggressive love the way he plays briskly gets on with it. And he's a fighter, and that's, you know, I used to watch him all the time. I love his golf swing, fast and aggressive. So yeah, we played and so we teed off on the last on the last and we played the first all and I'm seeing what was good for me is that Tom missed a short putt on the first screen from about three and a half foot and so while he's nervous, you know, yeah, I'm nervous. But no, we're all nervous. Let's go learn to play through it ready?

Mike Gonzalez: 6:04

Yeah. So the some of the patrons were not on their best behavior that day as I recall. Well, yeah, that's

Woosnam, Ian: 6:13

what happens in is that you know, the Europeans you were playing with Tom that that that fourth round. have done a good run, you know, that we don't normally in a row Yeah. Tom stood on the last gren we're all Olazabal was level I think it was maybe mine was good. Maybe the seventh in a row or six or something. So um, you know, Tom was one of our local favorites and they wanted him to win. Yes, I hit it in the creek. There were some cheers and I thought well, the cheer and for it to come out but actually gone into Creek. But number one it did under the creek and it did under the trees and the patrons is there on the right hand side, so I'll just give it a little bit more extra. So played him at Skittles. A few legs. I'll get you for booing at me. There you go. Yeah, so yeah, you know, I was going to the next hole I get on the tee. And the guy goes, you know, this is this is this is Augusta. Amen. Corner. It's not a Sea Links Golf Course. So I stood on a tee and I boom, this drive down 14 Turned around and said how was that and Tom said to me something he said, I used to get that against Jack Nicklaus a lot. You're already you know, young guy trying to beat the beat thinking really? That was great. We had a great time me and Tom, He's such a gentleman to play with. And he you know, he appreciates great golf and that's one thing well you know what we did that day we played some great golf because I took six on that 13th And he made Eagle and he Eagled 15th as well 15 as well it was a hell of an exciting day really Yeah. Unfortunately Olazabal missed out but he got his win in the next couple few years later. I think level with Olazabal. He took five it in in the bunker on the left five. We stood on the tee and Tom took quite a long time on the tee which was very strange and he was either a driver or it was a two iron and he pulled out a three wood and I thought well that's a very strange move because he still got to shape it off the bunker with a three wood any any just over sliced it straight in the trees and you know that time was down off the right. The wind and I tried it early on in the week and I just hit it as hard as I could and carry that bunker just took everything out of play really and Tom took five and I ended up making four, holed and a holed a nice seven footer to win really.

Mike Gonzalez: 8:46

as a kid you probably practiced a lot this putts for the Open Championship. Was that ever for the Masters?

Woosnam, Ian: 8:54

Oh, it was there was for everything. Doesn't matter which one we'd all have to you know, it's like I could remember that time when we would be on the putting green it's fun. I'm on a golf club on that Wednesday evening. And we'd all be there kids to go you know I'm Gary Player who you I'm Jack Nicklaus. I'm on a farm and we're gonna win this this is for the Masters or is probably all for now and not not put Kim and that was the moment you know, it's the I've won them Destiny moments and when you, it was one ball outside the right lip slightly up l couldn't have been a better putt for me and you know it was a lie angle my nerves and Ally handle it or you do this you know self psychology stuff. And I said to myself, well, if I missed this, but I'm still in a playoff, I can still win if I miss it. But you know, it just went straight in the middle and all over how to use that's gonna have a beer.

Mike Gonzalez: 9:53

Did your world change much after that?

Woosnam, Ian: 9:56

Yeah, yeah, you know, it Everybody wants you to go here, there and everywhere. I made a few mistakes try I don't know why I wanted to change me swing, man, a monster mistake. I think that was the folder thing, trying to get better and better and better and I made a mistake. So I said to myself, well, I got to world number one, I want to major with a swing I've got but also I didn't really enjoy all the press and everything went wherever when I'm not that sort of guy. I just love you know, just being with my friends and soon as I finish I want to go and relax and have fun but there's so much responsibility becoming with world number one. How Tiger Woods did it I just do not know I just couldn't survive that.

Mike Gonzalez: 10:44

Well, you were the fourth straight winner from the UK. Lyle, Faldo, Faldo, Woosnam, first player to win representing Wales. And I guess one of the things you get to do every year is you get to come back and you get to go to a little dinner on Tuesday night. So give our listeners a little insight into that dinner, especially this year.

Woosnam, Ian: 11:05

Well, that was a good one. And I was looking quite excited. I had almost Pat's me on boxing gloves were no it was it was brilliant. Because, you know, I always thought there was gonna be a bit of tension and everything. And obviously, we're going to get the big steak from Texas and everything. But it was a great atmosphere and it's always great. Sitting there or just discussing with all the other players. I had a great discussion with Spieth about the ball and whatever I think, actually, you know, this is quite interesting, you know, you don't really get to see him that often because you're in and out of the pram, so about his sand iron because when I won the Masters I only I won with a 53 degree sand iron. You know, I shaved it all off. And I said to him, I said, do you hear your sand irons only four degrees bounce? And he said, Yeah, but I even making less than that. And I said, That's brilliant. That is because he said, All this bounce on it. And everything is a load of rubbish. He said I mean his guy can chip can't he, it was good. As he says, I've just I've just changed me sand iron. And you can have mine because I've been chipping so badly. I just put the new modern sand iron, it got too much bounce on a for me, just can't get the feel for it. So that was you know, a bit of an experience or a thing. And obviously, we have a couple of cocktails and then going up the meal and some storytelling and the champion gets up and says a speech and it's always pretty emotional. Because you know, you're, you're speaking to 30 Major winners majors. You know, you got the man there Tiger, Jack, Gary. And you know, I was you get pretty nervous at that.

Mike Gonzalez: 13:00

Yeah. Yeah. So who did you sit by this year? And is it normal that the normal guys or is it always a little bit? You mix it up a little bit?

Woosnam, Ian: 13:07

I try to move it a little bit. I was at this time. I think it was next to the next Mark O'Meara I think it was next to Mark and Trevor Immelman. I think it was something like that. Yeah. I just tried to move around a little bit. Yeah. So yeah.

Mike Gonzalez: 13:24

And Ben's kind of settled into that MC role taking over from Byron Nelson after all these years.

Woosnam, Ian: 13:30

Absolutely. Yeah, he comes out with few always come out with some statistics or something. Some like anyway, which I would notice anyway, Phil Mickelson one, you know, like he like it was an inch difference on one of the greens and Phil would know it and Comment on it. Yeah, yeah. But then go on to the new changes, you know, on the 13th. That was, I thought it was good. I thought it was good to serve. Put them guys on a little bit more of a challenge going into that group made them think anyway. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez: 14:01

Yeah. Well, it was a great win that year. And as you said, it did change your life, not just being a major champion, but being world number one. We've heard Bill Rogers and others that, you know, got that first major under their belt or approach number one status, and they tell you about the rigors and the grinds and so many people wanting a piece of you.

Woosnam, Ian: 14:23

Yeah, that is what you know, people don't see that. You go into a restaurant. I'll never forget my dad saying to me when I want me for a store and he said, Now you belong to the public. And it's amazing then where it's in use, right. You know, you walk into a restaurant with coffee and you're in the middle of your your steak and he says, Can I have your autograph? So as a you know, it's it's difficult sometimes, but that's what you got to do. Yeah. You know, famous I'd rather be a wealthy businessman and be a sportsman sometimes

Mike Gonzalez: 15:04

when you finished that year going back to back at Monte Carlo this was by for over Anders Forsbrand and then later in the year he just sort of hit the wall then yeah

Woosnam, Ian: 15:16

yeah a little bit. Was that 88? 91 91 Yeah, I hit the wall I just Yeah. Most probably had enough and I just wanted to get home and enjoy it really? So can't remember I can't remember what I did after that it's all a little bit of a blur

Mike Gonzalez: 15:38

well, you somehow lost the Masters trophy tell us about that.

Woosnam, Ian: 15:42

Well, that wasn't my fault. Yeah, yeah. We used to have this thing called This Is Your Life. Yeah. Big program. Eamon Andrews said it was someone else did it and I used to you have to I've sent this the trophy down by Red Star by UPS all properly you know security and everything but someone wants to guess what it was it got there all right, but on the way back it disappeared so I don't know what happened to it someone got a nice trophy somewhere

Mike Gonzalez: 16:19

was never turned up never no never turned.

Woosnam, Ian: 16:22

So the Masters after get me a new and obviously went under insurance and got another one. Yeah, yeah. I didn't tell him I sold the

Mike Gonzalez: 16:36

business well, Bruce, he wasn't done winning. We've got several other

Devlin, Bruce: 16:42

next year he goes back again to the Monte Carlo and wins in 1992. Oh Guess who you beat there again?

Woosnam, Ian: 16:51

Mark McNulty Oh, goodness, yeah, Porr old Mark he must have hated me. Yeah, really? Yeah, as I said, it's it's quite incredible. How many sort of like Mark was playing well, at the same time it's Yeah, WAs that the 3rd time I won the Monte Carlo? Yeah, so three in a row. Yeah, so I said to Yeah, to Princess Caroline. You know, you gotta give me the trophy now because once you want it three times in a row you get to keep it nice and gold trophy. Give me a nice trophy to Kate is quite interested in that. I don't know. I don't know what year is that? I actually won the Scottish Open three times in a row as well or no, I've won it three times. But I won it three times. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez: 17:39

I think I had a crush on Princess Caroline.

Woosnam, Ian: 17:43

Oh did you?

Mike Gonzalez: 17:47

That's I'll say about it.

Woosnam, Ian: 17:49

Tell us more

Mike Gonzalez: 17:51

That's all I'm gonna offer up on that one

Devlin, Bruce: 17:55

Ian you can go next year too in 93 You win the English Open at the Belfry Ian must have liked the Belfry to and then you double up again at the Trophy Lancome?

Woosnam, Ian: 18:08

Yeah, Trophy Lancome. Yeah,

Devlin, Bruce: 18:10

Beat your old buddy there.

Mike Gonzalez: 18:12

Sam Torrance.

Woosnam, Ian: 18:13

Sam Torrance. Yeah, yeah, we've had some great times with Sam. Yeah. Obviously playing playing the English Open the belfry is not far from where I used to live an hour I see the drive there and play as I say play there are a lot new the Golf Course or the learning why played so well though. I must still liked it. And then obviously live control for your loved it there as well. I love being in Paris. Well, Versailles played some fantastic golf there as well, for some reason. What year was that one?

Mike Gonzalez: 18:48

That was 93. Yeah.

Woosnam, Ian: 18:51

One of the years I remember Greg Norman giving me a putting lesson. So I won that tournament three times as well. I think the Lancome Trophy. I remember Greg Norman's we played in this little tournament a summer. Not in a little time. I think it was Panasonic European Open. And he stood on the putting green, four hours we stood on the putting green with me. Give me a putting lesson. Wow. I went out and won the next week. And I can't remember if it was that year or not, but I did to get it back in your stance, get your hands forward hit down and I thought bravo, we'll try that. And it worked.

Mike Gonzalez: 19:31

Would that move work on today's greens.

Woosnam, Ian: 19:34

I don't think that will work now. No, I don't. It's amazing how good the guys are with a putter. Well, he got to the greens are just like valve, aren't they? So it is amazing how well the guys, you know, and obviously in our days, especially in Europe. You have to get it back and pop it a little bit to get in the hole. Amazing when you pick one of your old putters up and how light it is And I think if you know I put try to putt with a with a putter now these mallet heads or whatever they're too heavy so I think my my stroke was a longer stroke and I had sort of like a more of a pop stroke and that suits a light putter and that's where you can do when you try and do that with all these heavy putters you just there's no rhythm on it at all you know as we all know, if you do if you do something long enough you get used to it and that's what you ingrain and it's hard to change it

Mike Gonzalez: 20:34

let's move on to 1994 a couple of wins there we'll highlight the Air France Cannes Open at the Golf Club de Cannes in France by just a squeaker five over Monty

Woosnam, Ian: 20:48

That was funny. Yeah, because I bought an airplane and my pilot was there adn after the 27th hole I've given him that "se're going home." Get it ready. But then all of a sudden I think I birdied the seven of the next nine or something holes to make the cut and make while then I just I just from there on I birdied every other Hole I think it was in I don't know what happened and all of a sudden I just must have found something and just sort of went mad

Mike Gonzalez: 21:25

The pop stroke was working. Yeah.

Woosnam, Ian: 21:28

Well, a lot of times I've been on angry in the product didn't even last to get all the way around. It's bent over me knee I had to putt with a 2-iron once there..

Mike Gonzalez: 21:38

So tell us about the Dunhill Masters you want it Woburn was that the Dukes, the Duchess, or the Marquis course that you guys played on there. You remember? You want to do the Dukes? Yeah, yeah, you won by for over, Mr. Ballesteros

Woosnam, Ian: 21:56

Yeah, that was funny, because I've just made the cut I think. I don't know what the scores are. And it was cut to 50 players that day, I think and we have to go two tee start. And I teed off on the 10th. So I basically won the tournament without any cameras on me. Because I shot to great last rounds someone like 65-67 or something so I just managed to win one by four in the end but so maybe that's was a good good thing that I wasn't on the other side. But some some of the guys putting pressure on. Yeah,

Mike Gonzalez: 22:30

yeah. 96 pretty good. Bruce, another good year.

Devlin, Bruce: 22:34

How about the traveling aspect? 96 Johnnie Walker Classic. Singapore. Heineken Classic. Australia. Scottish Open at Carnoustie and the German Open. That's what I call traveling the world and winning.

Woosnam, Ian: 22:56

Well, it's quite interesting. Johnnie Walker isn't and it's funny that I'm in my I'm in my house and I'm thinking I'm having a little trouble. So again, coordinated. And I don't like you both can see me I'm in this chair and saying, Well, this word this chest pocket because it's it'll spin. Um, I started doing these not on not on a chair, it spins around. But I put my leg legs around the bottom of the chair and then sort of just started turning like this turning through. So I thought I just got to get this action a little bit better turn turn. Of course I go up to the Johnnie Walker. I'm also putting sort of like putting it in in the toe and hitting it out of the middle a bit like Koepka was doing you know what I mean or either had it in the middle I was in and out of the tall I can't remember because whatever I was doing, I was just putting fantastic. So I won at Johnnie Walker the Johnnie Walker in Singapore. Brilliant. Beat Andrew Coltart in a playoff Yeah. I think I all along put on the lap on the last screen the 72 separate trips. 72nd Hold on. I think I holed another one in the playoff to beat in the poor guy nevermind commentating now. And then. So obviously then we go down to the Vines in Australia out in the desert. there and it was boiling hot at the Vines. And yeah, I was still on fire there and just carried on a week later. And that's I think in between after I won there we flew to South Africa from there.

Mike Gonzalez: 24:43

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. So

Woosnam, Ian: 24:46

obviously I won the Scottish Open as well done didn't I?

Devlin, Bruce: 24:49

Yeah, guess who you beat there?

Woosnam, Ian: 24:51

And not Mark. McNulty

Mike Gonzalez: 24:55

No, the commentator, Oh,

Devlin, Bruce: 24:58

yeah.

Woosnam, Ian: 24:59

Was it Andrew was it. Yeah, yeah, well yeah, he's getting better yeah, and then obviously, German Open yeah, I think he was cancelled after three rounds but I think I was going for like the world record though. I think I was like 21 or something under par after all even more 25 under par after three rounds or something's crazy

Devlin, Bruce: 25:24

six in front of any anybody? Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez: 25:26

20 under 20 under for three rounds

Woosnam, Ian: 25:29

20 under was it, yeah, it was it was Yeah, I was. I was playing some golf there. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez: 25:34

Did you ever play that event at that Frankfurter golf club?

Woosnam, Ian: 25:37

No, not that one. Not as I know. Yeah. No, I don't think so. Who was it designed by?

Mike Gonzalez: 25:46

I should know that I used to be a member when I lived in Frankfurt. And I just remember that five Aussies won, the German Open at Frankfurter Golf Club.

Woosnam, Ian: 25:55

When that have been when I was playing,

Mike Gonzalez: 25:58

I don't know So Bruce, you'd know these names. Probably Steven Allen, Craig Perry, Graham Marsh, Bob Stanton and Peter Thompson. All won at Frankfurter golf club.

Woosnam, Ian: 26:06

Frankfurt

Devlin, Bruce: 26:07

talking about Peter and Stanton, you could be going back a long way.

Woosnam, Ian: 26:12

They're all Aussies

Devlin, Bruce: 26:13

Yep, yep. Yeah. Maybe 50 years ago.

Mike Gonzalez: 26:16

Yeah, they all won there. Yeah. Yep.

Woosnam, Ian: 26:19

I must have played there. Probably. So yeah, yeah. Craig Perry. Yeah, yep.

Mike Gonzalez: 26:30

Yeah, so we'll go on the following your Volvo PGA Championship. There was a second one you won in 1997 that was again at Wentworth by two over Darren Clarke, Ernie Els and Nick Faldo that's pretty good.

Devlin, Bruce: 26:42

Yeah. How about those three? Yeah, a lot. A lot of people might have thought

Woosnam, Ian: 26:43

Yeah. I can remember, I was you know, earlier on when I went and I said I used to have to go and pre qualify and Foxhill Golf Club. Well, to try and get my card. And after one of the after, after I went to Wentworth and played it was straight up for the world matchplay. And we played. I played 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7th hole and then we came in played the rest. And I think I shot like eight under par. And I thought I love this Golf Course. So I've always had something about when where they just love just sort of suited me I love what because not so much now when use every single club in your bag, from you know, from a one iron to a driver. And that's what you know, when you have a set of golf clubs in the bag. That's what they're there for us. Every one of them. Not just drive and a wedge every bloody five minutes doesn't mean edit. Sorry. that was the end of your winning career. But four years later in 2001 Guess where we went again? We went back to the Match Play Piccadilly. Yeah, it what was it called then.

Mike Gonzalez: 28:05

Cisco,

Devlin, Bruce: 28:06

Cisco. Yeah.

Woosnam, Ian: 28:09

I think a one in three different decades. Yes.

Devlin, Bruce: 28:16

Iand becoming the oldest player ever to win it. Yeah, I'm

Woosnam, Ian: 28:19

playing Padraig Harrington in the final. Yeah, so we stepped up so I thought I didn't stay in a house usually get a house to stay and I thought I won't get out because it won't be there that long. So I'll stay in the hotel. Of

Devlin, Bruce: 28:35

28 on the front. course I played really well. So I had no one Lee Westwood I beat Clarke, Monty i think and anyway, thrashed. And then I'm

Woosnam, Ian: 28:43

I'm 28 on the front and I'm only 2 up. I in the final against Padraig Harrington. So everybody's turned up at the hotel the night before thinking oh, yeah, this is great. We're in the phone. I'm sorry. I want to go to bed. I've got 36 holes to play and everybody wants to drink so I've

ended at a is about 12: 29:05

30 I went to bed. I'm playing at 7;30 or something. So I get on the first tee, birdie. Birdie. Birdie. Birdie. Birdie. Birdie. birdie, 7 birdies in a row shoot 63 And I'm two down at Wentworth that's crazy? So we're going on? And then we goout and we played seven. I said I'm still two down and we're playing the seventh hole. So we're all square, let's say a Padraig hits a shot to the right and it went in the little ditch and then and then all of a sudden he sort of like, you know sort of like lost his swing a little bit. And it was amazing. I think. I ended up beating him 2 &1 or 3 & 1, What a match that was it was incredible to shoot you know 63 or 62 or whatever it was the first round be 2 down two down yeah that's incredible fantastic got used to love playing at that time the year because the passpallum whatever it was on the other the greens are absolutely pure so that there were just so nice to put up when we used to put it sort of like in a BMW in April time or may you know you they used to bump all over the place a little bit. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez: 30:33

Did you play there in the early days I seem to remember David Graham on others talking about in the early days being chauffeured around in Bentley's when they came to the Piccadilly

Woosnam, Ian: 30:43

Yeah, exactly. They used to give me cars or they drive you around. Go wherever you want to do they give you a house? It was It certainly did look after his very well.

Mike Gonzalez: 30:53

Yeah, a little different than travel in the Safari circuit back in the day. Hmm.

Woosnam, Ian: 30:57

Well, exactly. You know, your You deserved it. you'e sort of eating baked beans and all sorts of stuff like that. And then the next thing you know, are you traveling around and in in whatever car you got your own plane. It was nice for a few years doing that. Anyway,

Mike Gonzalez: 31:17

We had a an old show in the States back in the I don't know 70s or something. And the theme song was "Movin' on up" and you you did a lot of moving on up.

Woosnam, Ian: 31:26

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's yeah, you know, and I look back and I wonder how did that happen? I don't know. It just happened. I guess. Well, you one of the great thing was when I had the caravan van, I used to start park on the practice route. And I would practice all all day, you know, boom, boom, boom, grinding in my swing. But then things sometimes don't. You know, you've got to know what you're doing. Like I said, I've had a few coaches with just helped me on the way obviously, what really I John Jacobs helped me and a few other coaches, but one of the guys who was called Gavin Christie, don't have a Scottish guy, more teacher of Mark James and everyone. And he sort of like show me how to get into the right area to hit him position sir, of like, back at the left wrist, hands down a little bit more squarely in the face, the left wrist same as the face and all of a sudden I got a I got a shot that I could trust all the time. And then it just changed my life, really. And then I started working with Bob Torrance, and he changed a couple of little things. And that helped me sort of out to get into my right side a bit better and more consistent and you know, took that took that big hook out of it as well. Oh, yeah, that's good people on the way as well.

Mike Gonzalez: 32:49

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