Fuzzy Zoeller - Part 4 (The Ryder Cup and Later Years)

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Mike Gonzalez  00:15

So firstly, we've had a chance to talk about the Masters a little bit. Augusta National. We've talked about the U.S. Open, let's talk about the Open Championship where you played into 14 times, which by the way back in your era, and I suppose in the era before you, the guys weren't as  likely to make that trip because it didn't necessarily pay for itself. In the early days, the Open you guys remember, the money didn't count.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  00:41

Yeah. And I wasn't about money. It wasn't about money. It was about putting your name on history, and  that was history over there.

Mike Gonzalez  00:50

Yeah, yeah, no question. Well, you made 10 cuts in those 14 starts, you had won top five and three top 10s. Best finishes I recall, was at Turnberry where you finished third in 1994 That was the year Nick Price won it? Tell us about either that particular event or just your reflections about The Open Championship? Going over and playing in Scotland and England?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  01:15

Well, I think the biggest thing is  the weather. I mean, the conditions that  you might have to play in. Yeah, it can be very, very warm. But most of the time we had high winds. You always had rain. It was just the conditions were ugly. Now, as a golfer can you adjust to those conditions. The great thing about playing British golf is that you can keep the ball on the ground. You can roll it in game still play and be competitive. So that's what's great about it. That challenge standing there at 100 yards knowing you're going to hit us five on about two feet off the ground. Instead of just whacking a sandwich in the air. That's yeah, it's great. I loved I love British golf.

Devlin, Bruce  02:06

So Mike talked about the 94. Open at Turnberry Yeah, you shared the 54 hole lead, there with Brad Faxon and then you you shot 71, 66, 64 And tell us about the last round.What was going on? 

Zoeller, Fuzzy  02:27

I was still in content. You know, Nikky, he had some a lot of a luck going for him. He he had knocked it over the green at 14 I think it was 14, 14 or 15. And then he chipped it in. Birdie. And you know, I mean, that's when he took the lead. I got to 17 I drove it down here right side just perfect. And that's when Nick made the long putt from the back of the green to the front of the left, front left. And I'm sitting there with a full iron in my hand. So I was trust. I was licking my chops. And I got in my backswing and David Leadbetter comes flying out from my right side and I flinched. He were it was about 20 yards in front of me. And I just kind of flinched as the hell are you doing? He goes I'm trying to follow dick up here because he was teaching it. Okay, God and and i missed the green just to the right, I made a par. But I Oh, I was sick. I mean, I really was I was sick because I had an opportunity to get that one. You know, thing. It's crazy. But through my whole career, I had an opportunity to win them all. I should have gotten all of them. It's just somebody's always played a little bit better. You know, it's just the way it is.

Mike Gonzalez  03:47

Yeah, we thought maybe that year at Turnberry, it was because you had to play the final round with David Feherty.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  03:55

Here's a good one. Now Dave and I have always been on up and up even even to the Ryder Cup matches. We've always had fun together. You know, we he's just a fun guy. He really is.

Mike Gonzalez  04:07

I'm heading over there next week. And we'll have the opportunity on Friday to go out and play a Royal St. George's and if the weather's like it's been it is bone dry there right now. Right. So they even yesterday, the Secretary of Royal St. George's sent out a letter saying no more smoking on the Golf Course until we get some rain. So what do you guys remember about any time you were able to play an Open Championship in those kinds of conditions, this one come to mind?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  04:38

Where I'm trying to think was it Muirfield? I think I don't know. So I was at Muirfield. I'm thinking it was Bruce. That it rings a bell with me where it was very, very dry and everybody. You know, those hotel rooms don't have air conditioning. So everybody was running to the pharmacy down here to pick up fans. They didn't care what kind of fan it was could have been big or it could have been little dinky just something to circulate the air. But I remember behind a couple of greens that Catching Fire and they had to come put them out. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. But then there's the other ones were just rings today going hard there was no way a fire get started. Yeah, yeah.

Mike Gonzalez  05:23

So what were your favorite open venues?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  05:27

Oh, I think all um, they were all different you know, they're like, they're like people they all had different personalities. But like I say the great thing about British golf is you don't have to put it in the air. You can roll it around and compete.

Mike Gonzalez  05:41

Yeah, and which one was the most troublesome for you?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  05:46

Well, Royal St. George's, Lytham St. Annes those two I fought on it because it didn't set my you know, I didn't feel comfortable standing on a tee hitting the shot down a fairway.

Mike Gonzalez  05:58

Yeah, well, of course Lytham had about 5000 bucks. Yeah, about Carnasty.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  06:06

Carnoustie wasn't bad. I enjoyed Carnoustie. Yeah, it was good. It was good,

Devlin, Bruce  06:13

man. It's a tough Golf Course. That's tough. Yeah, but boy

Zoeller, Fuzzy  06:18

you know way Yeah. What do you what do you really want a fountain fairy here or you want something gonna challenge yeah. I enjoy I enjoyed I enjoyed Muirfield. I enjoyed Turnberry, you know, places were good about the Old Course. Or the Old Course is just, you know, that's one of those gems. I never forget. I played practice round with Seve. First time I played the Old Course. He goes now Fuzzy, you do not want to hit fairway. So what do you mean you don't want to hit fairway? You said trust me hit left, left. Left, everything was left. So I mean, after I played the first couple holes and saw those damn potholes in the middle of fairway? I went you know, he's right. You don't want head down a fairway here? Yeah,

Mike Gonzalez  07:07

I mean, you don't want to miss right all the troubles right going out and coming in so you stay left and you're fine. But in terms of angles into some of those greens, it wasn't necessarily the the optimum angle into some of those flag sticks though.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  07:20

I understand but I didn't know anything about angles. My god I just want stay out of one of those damn those potholes. bunkers. Held a couple of them they were over my head and I'm 5'10" I'm kind of looking around so I better get this thing out on the ground somewhere you know?

Mike Gonzalez  07:39

Yeah. Well, Lytham was your first one. And then for some reason you may remember in 81one, you skipped 81. And that was when Billy Rogers won at Royal St. George's and they had all stretched out from that you played in I'm just looking to see whether you played Turnberry you had a chess play Turnberry the your Norman one you finished eighth. What did you think of Turnberry?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  08:01

Turnberry is beautiful. I always thought Turnberry was a challenging Golf Course, even over the cross winds and stuff. It was it was a difficult Golf Course. You don't think about tippity chopping? T times are critical over there. And what I mean by that is, you can have four seasons in one day on a Golf Course. I mean, you could tee off a to be sunny blue sky and before you get done hell, it could be snowing, spitting, rain, sleet going blown. 40. You just got to prepare for all conditions.

Devlin, Bruce  08:36

Perfect example is play the Old Golf Course you can play all the way out into the wind. Turn around after the ninth hole, come back down. 10 kneeling and play all the way back into the winter. 18.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  08:49

Yeah, I think now from what I understand, Bruce, I've never done it. But they say that's the only Golf Course that you can play backwards. Was that true? No,

Devlin, Bruce  08:59

that's true. I did.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  09:01

I've heard I've heard that. Now. That's kind of amazing. You think about it when it was built and everything. But you can go from one to a go to 17 be kind of neat. Try that.

Mike Gonzalez  09:12

The Links trust. That, of course manages all the cola golf courses there. They set it up one day, a year in November. It's normally about just before our Thanksgiving, where you're able to get in the lottery and try to get an opportunity to play it backwards. And Bruce, you might remember Bob Charles, who was an honorary member of the R&A. He said one of his life goals was he wanted to still get over there one day and play it backwards. Backwards.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  09:38

Well, he did play backwards. He was lucky he was he was backwards.

Mike Gonzalez  09:47

Well, let's let's talk a little bit about the PGA Championship then because again, as as we talked about with the Open Championship or the British Open as you guys knew it back then a lot of guys didn't make that trip on He maybe made it popular and, and but it wasn't until probably the 70s that you started counting the money and guys decided, okay, it makes sense now we can go but to PGA Championship little different thing. Fuzzy you're probably too young for this. But I know back in the 60s there were four times in the 60s I think the PGA Championship was contested the week after the British Open. Yeah. So it was one or the other. You couldn't it was different, very difficult to do both. The PGA Championship at least until recent history was deep into the year. You guys were tired. By the time you got around August and playing the PGA Championship. It was hot. It would just seem like a different deal than the other three majors.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  10:45

Well, I agree with you 100%. August is after you've been beaten on it since January, August is a tough time. And I do think PGA got a row deal there. But a guy still played. You always had a champion. So that's true, even though we didn't enjoy that hot heat and the conditions of the Golf Course is usually there. Kind of burnout. But yeah, it is what it is. Yeah, the show must go on as they say.

Mike Gonzalez  11:18

It's right. Everybody plays the same Golf Course in the same conditions. Right. Right. So you had 20 starts there and, and 13 cuts made Brucey had a few good finishes to Denee.

Devlin, Bruce  11:29

Well, the best one for us was his way you talked about you had a chance to win all the full majors was in 81 when Larry Nelson won at AAC, you remember that very well. Don't

Zoeller, Fuzzy  11:43

you know, I remember very well. I remember Saturday night sitting there with a Huber green in the condo that we had rented for the week. My wife called me at nine o'clock in evening and said, Honey, how you play and I said, Well, I'm playing pretty good sweetheart. I said right now I'm, I'm very close to Lee. You know, just kind of joking with. She goes I hope he played well tomorrow because she goes I just bought a farm. Okay, and a girl. I didn't want to hell, I didn't know what to say. You know, and then, but I did get beat by Larry down there. Good guy. You don't mind losing the great people in Larry Nelson is one of the class acts. Isn't that the truth? Yeah, the Amana VIPs God Almighty Mike, do you remember those days?

Mike Gonzalez  12:33

Boy did we see those hats a few times?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  12:35

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That used to be an elite club to be in right there.

Mike Gonzalez  12:40

Wasn't it? Like maybe 50 bucks a tournament or something? And if you if you're on TV on Sunday, the guy what was the guy that producer on? CBS wouldn't show you?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  12:53

Well, he didn't like the advertisement. That's what it was. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez  12:58

Chirkanian that we not

Zoeller, Fuzzy  12:59

come a long way. Now. Think about that in that. George Forschner out there at Amana, Iowa beautiful people, beautiful people.

Mike Gonzalez  13:10

I mean, at the time a marketing genius. Yes. To come up with that concept. No, yes. You know how many major champions you see with that trophy with that amount of hat on from back in that day, right. A lot. A lot. A lot. A lot. Yeah. Yeah. So we move on to the PGA Tour from the PGA Championship, although I must ask. You might remember this, but I've got a note that says in that 81 PGA championship that you finish second to Larry. Trevino didn't sign his first round card. Do you remember anything about that?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  13:49

No, I don't. I don't that that was Lee's problem, not mine. You know, I know I had a hard enough time just trying to find my golf balls. So I know. I don't remember that at all. No.

Mike Gonzalez  14:03

Well, let's talk a little bit about Ryder Cup because he had a chance to play in three of these. And you know, you you played on the Ryder Cup at a very interesting sort of transformational time because from the time you started and 79 on that team captain by Billy Casper, to the time that you went over to the belfry and 85 the times they were a change in terms of the competitiveness of the event.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  14:30

Yeah, that I must tell you about the Ryder Cup. That might be the best greatest format ever. In golf, to get 24 of the top golfers in the world and compete. It's fun. I mean, you dropped that flag on your shoulders. It puts more weight on there. But still, you're playing against your friends. You know, most of the guys from overseas lived in Orlando. Oh, Florida. So you still playing against your friends? But what? Uh, I don't know. It just always comes down very, very few times to do the teams run out and hide and, you know, get a lot of a big score. It's always very, very close and very competitive.

Mike Gonzalez  15:17

Yeah. So in terms of the transformation of this event 79 at the Greenbrier, Billy Casper's Captain, it was the first time they invited the continental Europeans onto the team. Yeah. So you get some new characters already.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  15:34

I remember. Greenbrier vividly. Hubert green, God loving, we played Kenny Brown, and I can't remember who the other player was. And on a 16 hole, I hit a four iron about eight feet above the hole, which is something at Greenbrier that you don't want to do is hit above the hole, but I'm standing back there 200 yards, you know, so I thought I was pretty happy with alternate shot. Hubert walked up to me says Let me tell you something Bub. But he said this ball either goes into a hole or you're going to be chipping your next one. Guess what happened?

Devlin, Bruce  15:45

And we

Zoeller, Fuzzy  16:11

I got to chip. But that's the way the way the guys palyed back then. I mean, there was a break how you use to use patterns and had a lot of loft because greens weren't that damn good. Yeah. And a Bolcom kind of flew in the hood, and they really roll it was fine. Hubert tried to fly it in a hole. We ended up losing that match three and two. But I do remember him walking up says Get ready. He says you're liable to have to chip your next one because they were straight down a hill. And that was before you could do like the guys do now tap down spiked marks with a flag in. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez  16:53

Well, back in 79. That was a win for the U.S. team. As I said, first time for the European so you had guys like Seve Ballesteros. joining the team. And this guy, Larry Nelson beat Seve 4 times in that Ryder Cup.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  17:09

And then amazing. It is. That means there are certain guys who have the knack for match play. I was never a good match play golfer even when I played in younger tournaments, amateur tournaments. I was never very good at match play. Now, I haven't figured out why that is but I always used to get my butt kicked. Which is fine. Because I mean, we're out there competing. Somebody has to win somebody has to lose. That's kind of the way I look at.

Mike Gonzalez  17:38

Okay, so I won't ask you why match play didn't suit you? Because you see you still don't I don't.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  17:42

I have no idea. I couldn't put my finger on it. Maybe I wasn't aggressive enough. I really don't know. I have no clue.

Mike Gonzalez  17:49

Yeah, well, your next Ryder Cup was at PGA National. I remember this one pretty well. This was captained by Jack Nicklaus. And it just sort of came down to that last shot landings and 18 didn't it?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  18:01

Drop maybe, might have been mine. I mean I only played one match that we are because my back was so bad as for head to back surgery. But I played one match the very first match. And you know, the envelope that the coaches put together with a name in it, or my name was in that envelope, because I couldn't walk with Seve I had play with seve yeah and Seve got me forward down. You know, I was trying to still trying to figure out a way to make contact with a golf ball. But he had me for down after like six or seven holes. And I brought it and fought back. tied it at 15 I should have won 16 He made like a 10 footer at 16. Then at 17 He missed the green he chipped it up but 15 feet made that for par. So I should have won two in one straight up. Yeah, and any hit by one of the greatest shots I've ever seen in my life on 18 total. And we we have and a half a point. But at all you know everybody talks about Lanny's but I know mine was pretty remarkable. I mean how you got a half and a half and dead man out there trying to play golf against one of the best in the world.

Mike Gonzalez  19:19

That was you're talking about that three would he hit out of a fairway bunker on 18th and hard no that are down today's technology.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  19:27

Oh my God without a doubt, just to have the imagination to pull it off and then do it was amazing to me. It really was what great players do great things. I understand that I get it. Yeah, but I never would have thought about that. Hell I'd just pitched it out here or with a little nine iron,  eight iron take my oats and go on about my business. Not Seve. Seve was always trying to advance that ball.

Mike Gonzalez  19:55

We've we've talked to most of your teammates from that team and the thing that oh He's comes to the forefront is what the post party was like everyone had a lot of fun after that when we were

Zoeller, Fuzzy  20:07

drinking a shower. I cannot tell a lie of a we were drinking. Yes now. It's really it's a good time. It's it's great time champagne was flying everywhere beers were flying everywhere. It's not really. We didn't drink to get bulletproof or stumbling. But it was just it was just a good time. Very happy time. Yeah, it's

Mike Gonzalez  20:36

great. You can gloss over Ryder Cup number three, which was the first U.S. loss since 1957. This was the 85 win by the Europeans at the Belfry and again in terms of transformational Tony Jacklin had taken the team over in 83. He was to Captain three or four straight times. He got the Europeans properly kitted with clothing, Concord transportation, team rooms, the same kind of stuff that you guys were enjoying back in the day. And next thing you know, they come back to Jack's place with Jack, as captain at Muirfield Village in 87, and they got their clock cleaned. For the first time on U.S. soil maybe ever.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  21:18

But the one at the  Belfry probably, turned everything around. But people started to watch, you know, get interested in the Ryder Cup. And so that's probably the one that really triggered it. But I must tell you as a prayer, what an honor or what a great thrill it is to go out and compete in a Ryder Cup. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez  21:40

So tell us a little bit about the decision to wind your schedule down on the regular tour. And then what you did in the interview. Well,

Zoeller, Fuzzy  21:48

I got married started having kids with her. Yeah. I answered all the questions. Life happened. Life happened? Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, marry my beautiful wife in 76 start firing kids out in 79 I had four of them. They just you know they want you at home to Santa Claus. He then come just one time a year. He's got to be around the house every once in a while so

Mike Gonzalez  22:16

So was it an easy decision then to sort of wind down your regular tour schedule and, and maybe at the time, think about preparing your, your body and your game for the Senior tour.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  22:26

I never really thought about the senior tour until I got to that 50 yard marker. You know, I guess you never rush it. Nope. You don't put the cart before the horse as they always say. So. But yeah, the Champions Tour was fun. They're just a bunch old buddies of

Devlin, Bruce  22:48

mine a couple of days. I say you want a couple of majors.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  22:52

I had fun. I had fun out there. I did everything I wanted to do. You know there's no pressure on the Champions Tour. I mean, not everybody not everybody can grind like Bernhard Langer. Or Hale Irwin. Oh my god. He's unbelievable. I call him the Mad German calling you mad German because it acts like he's just mad gets called in. He just goes out and kicks everybody's butt. Yeah, but a good a good person. Great guy. Great family.

Devlin, Bruce  23:21

Yeah, yeah, sure.

Mike Gonzalez  23:22

So at what age did you sort of hang it up competitively then?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  23:27

I guess I was right at 60 You know, my wife while she got diagnosed with that dreadful damn disease, dementia, and it just I needed more time at home. You know, she's scared. She gave me a she was a great woman. I married my best friends what I did. And I lost. I was losing my best friend. And the only bad thing about that was there was nothing I could do. Yeah, you know, there were no medicines you could give her to slow the process down. It was just it was nine years of pure Hell's what it

Devlin, Bruce  24:04

was, yeah. feel helpless?

Mike Gonzalez  24:08

Well, I would suspect that one of the greatest honors that has ever been bestowed on Fuzzy Zoeller was receiving the 1984 Bob Jones award from the USGA.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  24:21

Yeah, that was, that was great. It was tremendous. I really didn't know what to tie him how important that Bobby Jones award was. I understood it a lot more after I accepted the award. But yeah, that that means a lot. That is I've gotten over here to cover bridge right now in the trophy case so people can see it and appreciate it. I'm silly. I was very, very nice.

Mike Gonzalez  24:50

If for our listeners, just a reminder, it's the USGA is highest honor, and it's given for distinguished sportsmanship

Zoeller, Fuzzy  24:58

and God bless the USGA for During that

Devlin, Bruce  25:04

tell me about your little move into the vodka business. I said, I said to Mike earlier, you know, would you like for me the same bottle of vodka from fuzzy?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  25:18

I got a bottle right over it's already autographed when we send it right, you know what? It that that was a great business a great deal. As long as I keep writing checks, we're making money. That's what I tell everybody. Just for a joke. But yeah, it's it's fun to watch a company grow. And we're growing and made big made big jumps this year. So it's just nice.

Mike Gonzalez  25:49

Well, you found social media. So I see you on your with all your videos. And now on social media advertising, the vodkas the word must be getting up

Zoeller, Fuzzy  25:57

to my head, 1000 pound gorilla, Paul Massey, down in Palm Beach, Florida. He's into that stuff. So we do that every January. We do all the new cuts and takes for the whole year. So okay, while I while I'm in Florida down there, they make me work. I told him, y'all have to understand I am retired. Doesn't mean anything to those guys. Retirement means nothing means go to work.

Mike Gonzalez  26:28

Well, you know, growing up as close as you did to Louisville, I would have expected something in the record that we would find about horse racing. But we did see that you were involved in IndyCar racing back in 2012 timeframe.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  26:41

I did with the ED CARPENTER race team. Great, great people. Absolutely had a blast doing that. You know, we were when the the vodka company came out, we were looking for something that would give us immediate exposure. And there's none better than IndyCar. I mean, even if it even if your car is all bangled, mangled up the exposure that we were getting with that car running around a track and the people who would come they'd have 150 200,000 people on the track, you know, that's exposure. That's hard to put a price on what, what that means. Yeah. And Eddie Carpenter, God bless him. He gave us he gave us that exposure, or the opportunity to get that exposure.

Mike Gonzalez  27:33

Yep, yep. So you must have a lot more opportunity these days for hunting and fishing.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  27:38

I do. I just got back from Canada. Last week. I got back Friday evening. We were up in Ontario's small mouth fishing, which I love small mouth fishing. And we always take four or five days every year, first of June to go up there. And I always try to catch those fish on the beds. We can get them with top border. And it is a hoot. I mean, I'm talking the football size fish. The big ones.

Mike Gonzalez  28:05

Oh, yeah, I mean, growing up where we did, you'd have to travel aways to get away from crappie and bluegill and catfish and some of the fish or the small lakes.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  28:17

Oh, I understand. But those are still fun. I mean, I still fish for those. But yeah, there's something about the small mouth pass it kind of ranks right up here. Oh, snip fishing down in Florida. Same type of deal. The hit the fight. I mean, even though we release them all. It's still the excitement of that fish hitting that lower earth you're throwing or?

Mike Gonzalez  28:42

Yeah, yeah. Alright, so how about how about hunting? I mean, we did a lot of quail dove pheasant kind of hunting when we were kids in the farm grounds and so forth. What what do you have down there?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  28:55

Yeah, you're on the feathery side of it. Yeah, well, I do the I do the big game stuff. I but I'm a bow hunter. I love bow hunting. So I've been around quite a few places bow hunting. It's a challenge again, it's a challenge. It's trying to get that animal within 20, 30 yards of you.

Devlin, Bruce  29:17

Not easy. Not it? Yeah,

Zoeller, Fuzzy  29:20

it's excitement.

Devlin, Bruce  29:22

So how about fires? I know you've done a little Golf Course design and what's happening at the moment with that?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  29:29

Well, that's all dead now. Bruce all dead now. That's all dead. Yeah, I mean, we used to we used to chase it. I've I've been fortunate enough to 2126 or 27 golf courses. They're all doing very well thank God so I must have built something that people enjoy. They go you know, I forgot about the touring Pro. Those guys here they don't pay any bills or scholarship golfers. You know I wanted Mary and  Sally Doe there and John to go out, I wanted them to experience fun, enjoy the enjoy the game. I didn't want to make a mad run them off. So I've been fortunate with that, you know, unless you're doing, like facelifts on golf courses, there's really I don't think the markets anymore.

Devlin, Bruce  30:19

Well they for a while because there was nothing going on was a journey before really before COVID Even it just, you know sort of died, didn't it?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  30:29

I did. It did.

Mike Gonzalez  30:31

So, Bruce, we'd like to wrap up with all of our guests with three final questions. I'm going to let you go first.

Devlin, Bruce  30:41

Okay, you're ready?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  30:42

I think I am. Yeah, go ahead. Okay. So,

Devlin, Bruce  30:46

if if you knew when you first started playing professional golf for a living? What do you know now? What would you have done differently?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  30:57

Do you know I really? I have to tell you, I'm not sure I do anything differently. I do everything. Yeah, we do have the same. I had a great life. Bruce. I'm not gonna lie to you. My My life was fun. Full of excitement. Fun. I mean, you know, a little guy growing up in southern Indiana, meeting the great people that I had met from President's on down to the greatest athletes in the world. To people outside the stands. I'm not I'm not sure I would do anything differently.

Devlin, Bruce  31:34

Good. That's a good answer.

Mike Gonzalez  31:36

Fair enough. I'm gonna give you two Mulligan's. Let's start off with first Mulligan being on the Golf Course. Where would you take it?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  31:45

What do you mean as far as I could have a mulligan I would probably go back to 86  at Bay Hill, where I shanked that three iron off the tee. I might take a mulligan there. Yeah. Yeah. Not all the people. Everybody said I got a bad break. I don't know. I didn't get a bad break. It was it was a ____ shot. I was a high righter baby, right off the hosel, I hit a guy in the head and it went in the water. Well, it should have gone into water. I know. I mean, that guy was 30 yards right in the green. I might have to say that probably be my only Mulligan. I really would like to have back because I had a one shot lead going in there. Loren Roberts was the recipient of my shank on 17.

Mike Gonzalez  32:38

So I'll give you I'll give you one life Mulligan where would you take it?

Zoeller, Fuzzy  32:46

I don't I don't think I need a mulligan on my life. You know, I really don't. There you go. I've had great I've had a great time. It's been a great life. I mean for man pulls my ticket today. It's been a good one. I can't complain.

Devlin, Bruce  33:03

So tell me how Fuzzy Zoeller would like to be remembered.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  33:06

Oh Bruce, I don't know. You know, I just a fun loving individual one that a person could come and walk up to me shake my hand and talk about old war stories. I don't really know. i

Devlin, Bruce  33:21

That's a perfect answer. Well,

Zoeller, Fuzzy  33:23

suppose I'm gonna give you some best. And I don't even have it written down here. Bruce. You know,

Devlin, Bruce  33:29

I understand that. Well, I all I can tell you Mr. Zoeller is that it has indeed been a pleasure having you with us. We thank you for your time and for your memory of what a great life you've had. And I know Mike, and I thank you a lot for all your time.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  33:50

You got it, buddy. Thank you for being a great friend. Mike. Thank you very much. I've enjoyed it.

Mike Gonzalez  33:55

Great having you on the program Fuzzy we appreciate your time. Thanks.

Zoeller, Fuzzy  34:00

Thank you very much. My pleasure.

Mike Gonzalez  34:02

Thank you for listening to another episode of for the good of the game. And please, wherever you listen to your podcast on Apple and Spotify if you like what you hear, please subscribe. Spread the word. Tell your friends until we tee it up again. For the good of the game. So long everybody

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